FUE and the short hair cut

[topcat]

For those that are unsure whether an fue procedure can be performed and still allow the patient to wear their hair cut very short with a 1 or 2 guard yes it is possible. All one needs to do is research the industry and find the clinics that are achieving those types of results and view them in person with your own eyes.


Those that are paid industry experts or working for clinics to help guide patients in their decision not to know that this type of result is possible seems hard to believe. With easy access to information that was often hidden in the past this no longer becomes an issue. They are either not very well informed and therefore cannot possibly be an industry expert or they are deliberately spreading misinformation which is basically lying and certainly should not be guiding patients.


This type of misinformation might have easily gone unnoticed years ago when the medium was only one way and the experts were never questioned as their word was gospel but that has all changed. Now when they are questioned they like to fall back on accusations of agendas when an intelligent answer is not forthcoming. Of course none of this is true but it does become a convenient response. Patients that are aware are just sick of the scumbags in this industry that continue to believe it’s okay not to be completely truthful with prospective patients if it is to their advantage, meaning monetary gain. You see this is what happens when you start to massage the truth, you risk losing any respect you previously worked so hard to build and it now becomes okay for critics to use a harsher tone.


All patients are asking for is honest information so that they can make an intelligent decision. Lying, playing dumb, or just really not knowing when you actually work in this industry starts to become a very slippery downhill slope so it might be best to rethink your position and take the high road.


It is possible to have fue performed and cut your hair very short, yes. Anyone that tells you that it is not is a liar. Does this mean all clinics performing fue can achieve it, no. Just as many of those same clinics cannot even manage to achieve a decent yield. Do your research.

[HelpROGER]

All Hail King Topcat, ROYAL KING OF THE FORUMS and resident know it all!

[sausage]

I am confused, I cannot understand why it would not be possible to wear your hair short after having FUE, were you supposed to write FUT?

Surely you can have your hair cut short with FUE, It did not even cross my mind that it would not be possible, what would make having short hair with FUE a problem? there is no scar, the density should look ok long and short.

Wayne Rooney for one has his hair short and has has FUE.

confused :S

[Spex]

Im confused too. Where has this been mentioned that you cant cut your hair short via FUE ?

Here is a good solid example of FUE donor shaved to the bone after 1500 FUE.

[PayDay]

I heard Kobren discuss this several times on the show. He’s said the only way to do a very short buzz cut and have a hair transplant is to do FUE. Where did you hear differently? I don't think anyone in the hair business would deny that FUE is used when a person wants to keep their hair really short. That would not make sense.

[sausage]

exactly, I think topcat's gone loopey. One of the key advantages of FUE listed everywhere is that you can wear your hair short.

I have no idea why he seems to think that people within the industry say you cannot wear your hair short with FUE when it clearly says you can on every or near enough every hair transplant clinic's website.

[HelpROGER]

King Topcat has an unhealthy need to feel important on these forums. I wish he would stop all of the rhetoric and stop preaching. I have no idea what he’s talking about half the time.

[topcat]

I hear that sometimes from strip only clinics and why it becomes apparent to me that strip only clinics are a poor choice for guidance.

[sausage]

On the topic of FUT only clinics......

Hasson and Wong do not do FUE cos they think it gives shoddy results.

Should people like me who are looking to get a HT take note of this?

If a big clinic is saying that then surely it has some substance?

Do they really believe that or is there another reason for them saying that?

[topcat]

Sausage that's the point of the post ask you own questions and know what questions to ask. Don't take any one person's answer as being the correct one. That is why research is important, formulate your own view from a variety of answers and not from one person or list.

[sausage]

To me it does not make sense that such a 'big' clinic says such a thing on their website.

How can they say FUE gives poor results when we can clearly see good results in examples on this forum.

Another point is if they think FUE gives shoddy results why are they happy to stick with FUT only, when FUT gives you a hideous looking scar in the back of your head.

They are trying to come across as a 'quality' clinic that only wants the best for their patients. But having a massive scar in the back of your head is not a 'quality' look. Its a naff look, but they don't mention that on their website, I wonder why.

[Follicle Death Row]

Truth is FUE is a little more hit and miss in terms of graft yield but I think it's getting better with Acell (I know Dr. Shapiro and Dr. Feriduni are making use of it).

Nice example by Spex. Check out this vid guys. Now I think at nw6/nw7 it may not have been the best choice going for FUE and the fact that the choi implanter pen was used might have affected the yield. I'd say it looks about 7,000-8,000 grew rather than 11,770 but in this video this guy has his donor shaved down after 11,770FU by FUE. I actually think the donor looks damn good considering they must have extracted 40-50% of all donor FUs. No significant dotting to my eye anyway. Now I don't think it's the best HT in terms of hair angulation or yield because the implanter pens are a bit rubbish but I think it's a nice example of a shaved donor after almost 12,000 FU. The doc is Dr. Jose Lorenzo btw.


I would love to see pics of Dr. Feriduni's 10,000+ FUE patients. Thoughts on the donor appearance guys?

[Jotronic]

Topcat, buddy, chill with the cryptic postings. If you have something to say, come out and say it. Wasn't it just a few weeks ago you were hammering Spencer for not naming names. Pot, meet Kettle.

Folks, what Topcat is referring to, as far as I know, is my participation on Spencer's show last night. We were talking about scalp tattooing and our mutual position that it just isn't a good idea and that while Dr. Rassman seems confident enough to offer it we just don't like the idea of it and think it is iffy at best. My thought was that maybe he's offering tattooing for those that aren't HT candidates due to a lack of donor hair or maybe he knows something we don't. Spencer said in that case maybe these guys could get just enough FUE to create a hairline and a bit on top for coverage and then just shave down to have what appears to be hair but just shaven very short.

I've seen this response a lot but what I haven't seen are a lot of people actually doing this. So, just like that, I asked Spencer if he'd ever seen anyone that had done this; had FUE then shaved to get the appearance of hair or the "less is more" look. He said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that he actually had never seen this and that he did not know in fact if this was a good idea or not. I think something was mentioned about how shaving isn't always possible but NOTHING was said about how it is never possible. Not from me and not from Spencer so somehow, for some reason, this has been grossly twisted and misrepresented. This wasn't even really part of the discussion.

My position is that FUE is fine for those that want, at all costs, to avoid a strip scar. However, there are those clinics and FUE cheerleaders that will tell you that anyone can shave as low as they want and no one will be able to tell. There will not be any visible evidence of surgery as long as they are in the hands of a good doctor. They will tell you that the survival rates are just as good just as often and that one can get as many grafts with FUE as can be had with strip. This just isn't the case and pointing to two or three cases to justify the position against hundreds of strip cases simply does not compute. More people talk about the benefits of FUE than there are actual results so of course because everyone wants to avoid the big bad strip scar the consensus grows further.

To date, there is not one single clinic that performs both procedures that will tell you that their FUE grafts are consistently as good as their strip grafts. I know from actually speaking to the reps from some of these clinics, or the doctors themselves, that they are up front with their patients about the differences in survival rates, which they should be. One would argue that it is because they are not as skilled as those that dedicate their practice full time to FUE. That is a valid point but then those that dedicate their practice full time to FUE have every reason to say that FUE grafts always grow as well as strip grafts because to say otherwise would jeopardize their business model. Hmm, seems to be a catch here. Whom to believe? That part is easy. No one, just believe the results. The results should speak for themselves. Not debates. Not postings. Not robots. Not vacuum cleaners ( *cough* Neograft *cough*).

So no, this rep from a strip only clinic did not say that FUE does not allow a shave down. It does, usually shorter than strip, BUT not always and just like you won't get a guarantee about a strip scar you sure as Hell won't get a guarantee that you can shave as short as you like with FUE. Not. From. Anyone.

So before you go calling me a scumbag, Topcat, check your facts and listen to the show a bit more closely. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think your heart is most likely in the right place. You and me are a lot alike and we both have motivations to do good but instead of calling me a scumbag maybe you should point your energies toward more worthwhile endeavors such as the new breed of clowns signing up to use Neograft. Or the joker in South Florida that uses a double blade scalpel while telling patients that using bigger grafts of 8 hairs means less transection or some sort of other BS. Really, man. there are a LOT of other things that have REAL potential to screw people up but one guy talking about anything on a call in radio show is NOT one of them.

[topcat]

My apologies on the scumbag comment Jotronic it was over the top and uncalled for as I was just a bit heated. My own experience where I had my scalp donor shaved down had no signs of fue surgery nor anywhere on my face or body. I have also seen a few cases up close where the hair was cut close to the scalp and once again it was amazing. Does this mean that it can be guaranteed no, but it is possible. I will have to listen to the show a second time. Of course I do take comments personally at times as I don’t make money from this industry and this same industry has caused me and many others a great deal of harm.

I was not trying to be cryptic I just have no reason to personally attack you by mentioning your name I was attacking the message.

[HelpROGER]

Have some balls Topcat! You call Jotronic a scumbag and don’t have the balls to tell him to his face. Now you apologize cause you were caught. Man that is weak! You’re a fool!