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[chrisis]

Dude you sound jaded.

Go to Dr Rahal and Dr Feller's sites for excellent results.

I understand your point about "10 years time", but that's an entire decade bought! If you act today, by 2022 we may very well have some much better options available.

Doing nothing is so defeatest.

[DAVE52]

Everything you wrote about finasteride I totally agree with, but have to object to the latter part of your post! I've seen some excellent results during my research and it's clear to me that an investment of time and money has given some people a new lease of life. If your hair is important to your image and look, then I definitely think it's worth fighting for.

I think we all care about it to varying degrees. Personally I know I wouldn't suit buzzed hair, or I'd just do it. A guy I work with is very good looking and has hair loss and he just shaved it. Worked fine for him, but his face structure is totally different to mine. I know for a fact I'd not enjoy the same social status I do now in terms of the people I hang out with and date, than if I had no hair. Unfortunately it's a fact that people judge you on how you look and treat you differently if you're not considered "good looking". Just last night I heard one friend say "I don't hang out with ugly people". Shallow maybe? But a brutal truth of life as far as many are concerned.

Show me excellanat results ....send some links by PM
The results might be excellant " today " but show me the guy 10 yrs later

Yes You would
No one cares
Once it's doen ( buzzed , shaved ) no one gives a shit
The only people that care are ourselves because we are too critical
You buzz your head and people will tell you it looks better than trying to hide or cover up your hairloss

[chrisis]

Everything you wrote about finasteride I totally agree with, but have to object to the latter part of your post! I've seen some excellent results during my research and it's clear to me that an investment of time and money has given some people a new lease of life. If your hair is important to your image and look, then I definitely think it's worth fighting for.

I think we all care about it to varying degrees. Personally I know I wouldn't suit buzzed hair, or I'd just do it. A guy I work with is very good looking and has hair loss and he just shaved it. Worked fine for him, but his face structure is totally different to mine. I know for a fact I'd not enjoy the same social status I do now in terms of the people I hang out with and date, than if I had no hair. Unfortunately it's a fact that people judge you on how you look and treat you differently if you're not considered "good looking". Just last night I heard one friend say "I don't hang out with ugly people". Shallow maybe? But a brutal truth of life as far as many are concerned.

[DAVE52]

. His co-host further added towards the end of the show the tired line that side effects are mostly in men's heads.

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I tried it Propecia a long time ago and I got the side effects

I want hair but I also want body to fucntion properly

I don't understand these people who come on and say it's safe

It's safe to some people and not to others, They even admit that on the packing that a small percentgage of people may experience such and such

Why is is so difficult for those people who experiene no side effects to at least admit that .

No they come on here and say it's like taking an aspirin .

My suggestion

Try it
If you get no side effects .GREAT for you

If you do too bad like me

I also suggestion people buzz their head instead of goign for a HT . You'll be fighting hailoss for ever . Even the best HT's look OK after 3 4 , 5 HT's.

My stupid insecurities got the batter of me 12 yrs ago and now Im paying for it pyschologically for the rest of my life . Trying to cope with hairloss , a bald crown , always wondering how I look, if people can tell I had work done etc etc

It's just not worth it

Some of the happiest people are those that dealt with their hairloss headon but buzzing it and moving on with life . Not taking drugs , lotion, potions, surgeries for years on end and spending their life on this forum looking for a solution that will never come

Buzz or shave your head and then get on with life

Don't try to fight , stop something that you can't

[spreadlocks]

@Folly. I shaved my head down to #3 guard last night and took these pics immediately after.

As mentioned though, I have thick hair around my donor site though so this may not work out as well for some people.

[chrisis]

Chrisis, i'm just listening to Spencer on the 3/11/2012 show and he said something that really suprised me. He said 99.9% of the people who don't have side effects from propecia in the first week, usually dont get any side effects. He said it at around 25 minutes into the show. You suprised at that ?

To be blunt I think it's bullshit.

I was fine for 2 months or more before side effects creeped in. For others it's longer. Some don't even realise how much finasteride has affected them until after they stop it and their libido shoots back up.

I'm getting tired of people plucking figures out of their air, whether it's 2% have side effects or 99.9% don't experience them if they're fine after the first week. It's completely unacceptable when the stakes are so high. Why can't everyone just be honest and say we don't know the actual figures, because ultimately we don't. Would these hair loss veterens bet their hair on being right about how widespread and prevalent side effects are? If they're actually reading the forum then I doubt it. It's easy to trumpet the safety of finasteride when it's other people's sexual health at stake because you've been fine.

I also heard Spencer say he'd have chosen his hair over side effects if it was a choice between the two (or words to that effect). This is a pretty frivolous and careless remark. Unless you've experienced the side effects, you have no idea how it feels both physically, and psychologically. His co-host further added towards the end of the show the tired line that side effects are mostly in men's heads. You'd be better off waving a red rag at a bull than tell a guy whose dick died on finasteride that he possibly imagined it. No wonder there are so many angry men on these forums if this the best we can expect from these self-appointed experts.

To be honest, until the show starts to present this issue respectfully, compassionately and with integrity I will probably stop listening. I just get angry every time I hear an instance of ignorance and bad advice. I thought the point of the show was to protect vulnerable men.

[Folly]

Nice one dude. Cheers. Enjoy your wedding.

Chrisis, i'm just listening to Spencer on the 3/11/2012 show and he said something that really suprised me. He said 99.9% of the people who don't have side effects from propecia in the first week, usually dont get any side effects. He said it at around 25 minutes into the show. You suprised at that ?

[spreadlocks]

Cheers bro, i actually live in London, but after seeing Jotronic's scar today, i can totally imagine how good yours is. If you get a chance, upload a pic of your donor site after you buzz down to a #2 or #3. Can't believe you were buzzing down after 6 weeks....you nutter !! lol

No probs man. I'll probs shave down this friday as have a wedding on Sat. Will post you a pic.

[Folly]

You know what man. If you are ever in London and wanted to take a look at my 2 month old scar just shout me. If I can do anything to help a fellow hair loss bro out I will.

Cheers bro, i actually live in London, but after seeing Jotronic's scar today, i can totally imagine how good yours is. If you get a chance, upload a pic of your donor site after you buzz down to a #2 or #3. Can't believe you were buzzing down after 6 weeks....you nutter !! lol

[spreadlocks]

Glad you got the consultation mate. I can understand that you would be disheartened after hearing that but I guess in some ways they just confirmed what you probably already new deep down. I think you just need to take the attitude that it's all in the past and now you at least know what you need to do to fix your situation if you want to.

As for strip scar, here is a little story I wrote a few weeks ago on another forum.

I had my stip surgery with DR. Feller on 16th Jan. One of my big concerns was the scar as I shave the sides of my head to a 2 guard. However I have really thick hair in my donor region and meeting Spex he said that he thought I’d be fine with the scar. I decided to stick with strip for higher yield and as it is more economical. 2.5 weeks after the surgery on 1st Feb I had the sides of my hair shaved down to a 4 and told the barber that I had a bike accident so I had a big scar. He was really careful and worked around it, however there was a lack of hair growing as expected. 3 weeks after then (Under 6 weeks after the HT) last Friday I went back to get it shaved down again. The barber looked at my head and couldn’t believe it. He couldn’t even find the scar. It took him like 5 minutes. Afterwards he was amazed and said he had never seen anything like it as there was hair growing out of the scar it’s self (Obviously the tricho closure). He said that my doctor must have done an amazing job as he had never seen a scar heal so well and thin on a head. He then shaved my hair down to a grade 3 into a grade 4 and you can see no sign at all (Bear in mind that this is under 6 weeks post op). Finally he asked if he could take a picture as he was amazed that hair could grow out of a scar, and took a picture on his I Phone. Funnily I was on the bus on Saturday night going for a night out when I bumped into him. He was still talking about how amazing it was and even got his phone out to show me the picture again, much to my embarrassment. Haha.

You know what man. If you are ever in London and wanted to take a look at my 2 month old scar just shout me. If I can do anything to help a fellow hair loss bro out I will.

[Folly]

Keep us posted on the fin stuff though man. I'm really hoping it works out for you.

Cheers bro. I met with Dr. Hasson from H&W today in London. Him and his team were really nice and spent quite a bit of time with me, but i was so bummed after i left the consultation. Dr Hasson looked at my recipient site where i had the FUE and estimated around 40% growth, as he could see the incision sites where no hairs had grown. He also said that i appeared to have a lot more extraction sites in my donor area for someone who only had 1,250 FUE. Jotronic took a video of my donor and it was full of white dots and the density of hair seemed really low (visually). I thought he was showing me someone elses head !! I was told last year that i have above average density in the donor and i didn't think a single 1,250 FUE case would change that, but i appear to be wrong. Dr. Hasson told me i would need another 1,500 grafts to have a dense hairline, but i was a 'repair' patient. That was a real shock to hear him say that, but he is right.

After seeing the back of my head full of these white dots, Jotronic showed me his multiple strip scars which were almost impossible to see on close inspection. At this point, i was thinking, WTF have i done ?? I had an FUE procedure for 1,250 grafts, had 40% growth, the back of my head is full of white dots, it appears a lot more than 1,250 grafts were removed from my donor and now i have a non-virgin scalp making future HT more difficult. If i had just had a strip, i would have had close to 100% growth, more transplanted grafts resulting in a much denser hairline and more than likely had a very acceptable scar, which could have been FUE'd at a later date if need be. Most importantly, i wouldn't be worrying about my hair all the time like i am now and would be out enjoying myself. After seeing what strip scars look like in comparison to these white dots from FUE, i'll never be doing FUE again. I'm sure the best docs can get much better than 40% growth, but i won't be risking it ever again.

Anyway, i was pretty depressed after i left the consultation, but i was told i have a very lax scalp....so that's something positive. Big shout out to Jotronic too. He's such a nice guy and he gave me a lot of good advice. He said it was nice to meet another 'bald truth brother'. LOL. His hair is awesome for someone with such extensive loss and i pray i can get scars as good as his. Thanks to everyone in the H&W team in London today....they were super !!

[spreadlocks]

I don't lift weights, but i'm naturally quite bulky/muscley. I do mostly cardio, because i'm only 5'9 and i'm already too bulky to add extra muscle. The strange thing is, i've always had a very broad chest and a lot of muscle on my quads and calves, but i never do any weights for these areas. My muscle mass in these areas NEVER seems to fade. Is this because of high testosterone, i don't know. But i also have a very hairy chest and oily skin, which are also traits of high testosterone. I guess the only advantage of always having high testosterone, was that i have always been very randy since puberty.......up until last year that is. I really hope things go back to normal in the libido department soon.

At least my estrogen levels are down. Maybe i'll be less moody !!

That makes sense man. I know calves are notiriously difficult to build and many people think they are simply pre determined by genetics. I wish I had the problem of being too muscular to do weights. Haha.
Keep us posted on the fin stuff though man. I'm really hoping it works out for you.

[chrisis]

I'm sure you will be ok soon mate. Try not to worry.

Yeah I'm guessing it's just a matter of time....

Gonna research if there's anything I can do help it along.

[Folly]

I've been off propecia since the end of January and I'm still feeling the side effects.

I'm sure you will be ok soon mate. Try not to worry.

[Folly]

Have you ever lifted weights? I just assume that with high testosterone levels you would probably be able to get really strong and muscular naturally.

I don't lift weights, but i'm naturally quite bulky/muscley. I do mostly cardio, because i'm only 5'9 and i'm already too bulky to add extra muscle. The strange thing is, i've always had a very broad chest and a lot of muscle on my quads and calves, but i never do any weights for these areas. My muscle mass in these areas NEVER seems to fade. Is this because of high testosterone, i don't know. But i also have a very hairy chest and oily skin, which are also traits of high testosterone. I guess the only advantage of always having high testosterone, was that i have always been very randy since puberty.......up until last year that is. I really hope things go back to normal in the libido department soon.

At least my estrogen levels are down. Maybe i'll be less moody !!