Fraud Hairloss Site

[Mr. 4000]

http://www.*********************.com/blog/default.asp

This site is a total fraud

They kicked my blog off to protect my Dr's reputation. I was honest and the mods didn't give a chit. They acted as judge and jury. They took the side of the doctor and blocked me from posting updating or emailing.

They best part is, I wasn't even going to that site. My Dr. had to complain and cry that he was losing business or threaten to sue the site.

Bill Seemiller and a guy named David "Taking the Plunge" who is a patient and a mod. totally screwed me over and said my story is false. David is a patient of the Dr. I went to. I can't say his name for legal reasons.

Why are sites faking that they want to help patients. Anytime there is a blog that is honest about bad results they get removed on that site.

WHat is the point if everyone is in bed with the doctors and the industry.

Where is Spencer!!!!!!??????

[Delphi]

Sorry to hear it. I never thought that site had much credibility anyway.

[Mr. 4000]

they never contacted me first, they just rip my blog down, and another patient emailed me. He was upset because he like my honesty about the results.

I emailed the mod to answer questions he had, but he was basically telling me I was a liar about my results. He asked me to forward him MRI's and private information. The guy was totally irrational. He NEVER asked or stated what I had to do to keep my blog on the doctors site.

So when patients search this doctor my blog would never show up. Defeats the entire reason for their site. Oh Im sorry, no it doesn't. Their site is to promote the industry. They don't want negative blogs because of too much risk.

I want to challenge my doctor on this site. I want to start a thread where he gives his side and I give my side. All evidence out on the table.

What do you say doctor? Lets do this.......Are you in?

[t-bone]

I learned that same thing..shocking!

[Mr. 4000]

yeah the HT network site is generating business for the industry and doctors on this site, and are treating patients like they did something wrong taking their advise.

They a misleading consumers and should be liable for deceptive advertising practices along with doctors that don't educate their patients before the day of the surgery.

[SilverSurfer]

Yes, most of the other 'hair sites' are corrupt. An example of that is how umar bosses around the site he sponsors despite , of all his shitty and pluggy results.

[Dude]

I have to agree with Mr 4000. I noticed that they come down hard on anyone that posts anything regarding questionable HT results. Although most of the complaints are from people that have either just had their HT done or are only 5 to 6 months post-op and are just freaking out. But holy crap if you have something negative to say about a doctor. I recently tried to cancel my account and couldn't figure out how so I e-mailed them and this is the response I received.

"Thank you for contacting us. Unless there is a compelling reason, we are not in the habit of removing or deleting accounts once they are created. We prefer that members commit to their profiles and posts. However, members can discontinue using their accounts at any time simply by not logging back in. If you are concerned about receiving continual emails, we can disable your account to prevent this from happening. Please let me know if you would like us to do this for you."

Is this normal of these sites?

[Mr. 4000]

I have to agree with Mr 4000. I noticed that they come down hard on anyone that posts anything regarding questionable HT results. Although most of the complaints are from people that have either just had their HT done or are only 5 to 6 months post-op and are just freaking out. But holy crap if you have something negative to say about a doctor. I recently tried to cancel my account and couldn't figure out how so I e-mailed them and this is the response I received.

"Thank you for contacting us. Unless there is a compelling reason, we are not in the habit of removing or deleting accounts once they are created. We prefer that members commit to their profiles and posts. However, members can discontinue using their accounts at any time simply by not logging back in. If you are concerned about receiving continual emails, we can disable your account to prevent this from happening. Please let me know if you would like us to do this for you."

Is this normal of these sites?

My doctor complained about my site.

They never contacted me first to ask questions about my results. They JUST PULLED THE SITE. A friend on the site let me know about it and told me my site was down and asked why. I was thanked by so many bloggers for being honest. People emailed me all the time asking questions.

Well, the facts are obvious. That site is there for one reason to promote the industry. The site is illegal. The manipulate consumers, which is a violation of FTC law. It needs to be shut down.

These guys get paid by the industry.

This type of advertising is worse that tobacco advertising and needs to be stopped.

My head and neck is wrecked forever because of a doctor protected by that site.

[Delphi]

How can anyone trust a site that has a hair loss product store and offers online consultations? Why would a hair loss site offer online consultations if it was legit? It’s a sales site. You just have to look at that site and read the posts made by the moderators to see that it has no credibility.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Mr. 4000, did you have a bad experience with a hair transplant doctor?

[Mr. 4000]

Mr. 4000, did you have a bad experience with a hair transplant doctor?

understatement

[DepressedByHairLoss]

That's why I never want to get a hair transplant. There are so many people on here and elsewhere who talk about the terrible effects of having a hair transplant. I don't know why we don't have anything better for hair loss.

[HelpROGER]

How can anyone trust a site that has a hair loss product store and offers online consultations? Why would a hair loss site offer online consultations if it was legit? It’s a sales site. You just have to look at that site and read the posts made by the moderators to see that it has no credibility.

That’s so funny that you say that about the online consultations. I joined the HT Network asking for suggestions and within an hour a hair transplant salesman private messaged me offering his assistance and a “free online consultation”. I felt that was just too sleazy and also felt that my privacy has been invaded.

[TakingThePlunge]

This thread has recently come to our attention and we think it is only fair that we present our side of this story. Thus, in the interest of fairness, I hope Spencer will allow our reply.
As the co-moderator of the Hair Transplant Network, I have been in contact with “Mr. 4000” for some time. At that time, he emailed and expressed dissatisfaction with the results of his hair transplant with Dr. Alexander, who was also my doctor. Thus, I continued to answer questions and offer support to “Mr. 4000” over the next couple of months.

During this time, “Mr. 4000” chose to remove photos he himself had presented on his patient website which showcased his results and alleged areas of concern. He also began making unsubstantiated claims about his results and neck/shoulder pain related to his hair transplant without providing any evidence even after being asked for it repeatedly. Since he would not re-post his photos nor would he provide evidence substantiating claims that his neck pain was related to his hair transplant, we decided that his website was no longer appropriate to attach to Dr. Alexander’s profile. However, to be fair to the patient, we kept his patient website public for him to vent his concerns and allow Dr. Alexander to share his side of the story. “Mr 4000’s” patient website was only removed once he started a crusade of attacks against our community including removal of the link to his patient website from Dr. Alexander’s profile, which only was removed after refusing to re-post his photos and providing evidence of his claims.

While patients are welcome to share their genuine hair restoration experiences good or bad with our community, our policy clearly states that patients must be willing to provide evidence to support their claims and also allow the doctor the opportunity to respond publicly and present his or her side of the story. This is true for all physicians, whether they are recommended or not. Our fair forum policy can be found prominently on our discussion forum.

Dr. Alexander claims he was willing to help this patient. However, “Mr. 4000” refused any legitimate help to satisfy his concerns and refused to provide any medical documentation to support his neck and shoulder problems were a result of his hair transplant to either Dr. Alexander or to our managing publisher Bill who was attempting to act as mediator. “Mr. 4000” states:

“I emailed the mod to answer questions he had, but he was basically telling me I was a liar about my results. He asked me to forward him MRI's and private information. The guy was totally irrational. He NEVER asked or stated what I had to do to keep my blog on the doctors site.”

Nowhere did Bill or anyone call “Mr. 4000” a liar. And while no one can force anyone to present medical reports, patients making wild claims regarding medical malpractice and insisting on them as fact must be willing and able to support those claims by providing the necessary information. If not, our policies clearly state that forum topics and/or patient websites may be removed. “Mr. 4000” was simply asked to substantiate his claims and he was assured that he would have the complete support of our community in the event that his clams were indeed valid. He not only refused to provide us and Dr. Alexander with any proof but his private responses via email were riddled with profanity and accusations against Dr. Alexander and our community just because we didn’t just simply take him at his word.

“Mr. 4000” did send Bill some photographs and Bill did conclude that he may not have had optimal growth. However, “Mr 4000’s” primary concern was the onset of pain that started and then remained in his neck and shoulder after the procedure. Photos he sent of his areas of concerns were a bit blurry and inconclusive. After Bill asked for better quality photos of the area, “Mr. 4000” responded with profanity and accused Bill of protecting Dr. Alexander and calling him a liar. Note that neither Bill nor I ever called him a liar but only asked for more information and documentation surrounding his case.

At that point, there was simply nothing anyone could do to either help or to satisfy him. When his emails eventually turned to threats of extortion and assault against the publisher and moderators of this community, we felt it was in our best interest to terminate communication.

I also want to address a few additional points made by other members of this forum.

Delphi said:

“How can anyone trust a site that has a hair loss product store and offers online consultations? Why would a hair loss site offer online consultations if it was legit? It’s a sales site. You just have to look at that site and read the posts made by the moderators to see that it has no credibility.”

Our community specializes in prescreening and recommending only those physicians who’ve proven to produce consistent, excellent results. Thus, as a convenience, we provide a contact form which allows those considering hair transplantation to easily communicate with our physicians offering free virtual consultations. Incidentally, other websites associated with the Bald Truth forum provide a similar form for patients to contact recommended physicians.

HelpRoger said:

“That’s so funny that you say that about the online consultations. I joined the HT Network asking for suggestions and within an hour a hair transplant salesman private messaged me offering his assistance and a “free online consultation”. I felt that was just too sleazy and also felt that my privacy has been invaded.”

The “hair transplant salesman” who contacted you is not an agent of this community. We do not condone the use of private messages or any portion of our community for sales attempts or promotion. However, we do not monitor member’s private messages and thus, it’s the responsibility of the user to notify the publishers and moderators of our community if they’re being spammed privately. Had we been notified, we would have put a stop to any particular member using our community for sales or promotion.

Our primary focus is patient advocacy. The publishers of the Hair Transplant Network are patients and hair loss sufferers ourselves and know how deeply the pain of hair loss can affect someone. We also understand the time and money that a patient must dedicate to surgical hair restoration and the emotional and physical scars that can be inflicted when things don’t go as expected. Everyone involved reached out to this patient in order to provide him with whatever assistance was necessary. “Mr. 4000” chose not to accept that assistance. In the end, we wish him the best and hope that he eventually finds the peace he is looking for.

David – aka TakingThePlunge

[Mr. 4000]

This thread has recently come to our attention and we think it is only fair that we present our side of this story. Thus, in the interest of fairness, I hope Spencer will allow our reply.
As the co-moderator of the Hair Transplant Network, I have been in contact with “Mr. 4000” for some time. At that time, he emailed and expressed dissatisfaction with the results of his hair transplant with Dr. Alexander, who was also my doctor. Thus, I continued to answer questions and offer support to “Mr. 4000” over the next couple of months.

During this time, “Mr. 4000” chose to remove photos he himself had presented on his patient website which showcased his results and alleged areas of concern. He also began making unsubstantiated claims about his results and neck/shoulder pain related to his hair transplant without providing any evidence even after being asked for it repeatedly. Since he would not re-post his photos nor would he provide evidence substantiating claims that his neck pain was related to his hair transplant, we decided that his website was no longer appropriate to attach to Dr. Alexander’s profile. However, to be fair to the patient, we kept his patient website public for him to vent his concerns and allow Dr. Alexander to share his side of the story. “Mr 4000’s” patient website was only removed once he started a crusade of attacks against our community including removal of the link to his patient website from Dr. Alexander’s profile, which only was removed after refusing to re-post his photos and providing evidence of his claims.

While patients are welcome to share their genuine hair restoration experiences good or bad with our community, our policy clearly states that patients must be willing to provide evidence to support their claims and also allow the doctor the opportunity to respond publicly and present his or her side of the story. This is true for all physicians, whether they are recommended or not. Our fair forum policy can be found prominently on our discussion forum.

Dr. Alexander claims he was willing to help this patient. However, “Mr. 4000” refused any legitimate help to satisfy his concerns and refused to provide any medical documentation to support his neck and shoulder problems were a result of his hair transplant to either Dr. Alexander or to our managing publisher Bill who was attempting to act as mediator. “Mr. 4000” states:

“I emailed the mod to answer questions he had, but he was basically telling me I was a liar about my results. He asked me to forward him MRI's and private information. The guy was totally irrational. He NEVER asked or stated what I had to do to keep my blog on the doctors site.”

Nowhere did Bill or anyone call “Mr. 4000” a liar.

Yes he did, thats why he banned my site before EVER CONTACTING ME, you know how I found out PLudge? Someone who complimented me on being so honest and saving themselves from a horror story of their own emailed me and asked why my site was no long on my doctors site. Oh by the way great job outing my doctor on this, I had an agreement that I wouldn't put his name out there. I had tons of people asking to out him, but I didn't. Great Job Pludge!

And while no one can force anyone to present medical reports, patients making wild claims regarding medical malpractice and insisting on them as fact must be willing and able to support those claims by providing the necessary information.

I have a MRI that is private, I have been to the doctor 4 times in 2 years for this neck problem. You don't have the right to ask for my medical records, it is a federal law, and if I sue the doctor why would I give him that piece of evidence Pludge? That would be for my lawyer.

If not, our policies clearly state that forum topics and/or patient websites may be removed. “Mr. 4000” was simply asked to substantiate his claims and he was assured that he would have the complete support of our community in the event that his clams were indeed valid. He not only refused to provide us and Dr. Alexander with any proof but his private responses via email were riddled with profanity and accusations against Dr. Alexander and our community just because we didn’t just simply take him at his word.

I showed Bill pictures and had pictures up on the blog for over one year. In our email conversation BILL didn't answer one question. Every picture I sent him he had no response because he knew how bad the result was. My blog was viewed over 1500 times. I want limited my exposure by taking the pictures off. I want to deal with my doctor on this but his demands just weren't worth me spending more money on what he was asking me to do. I would never let him touch my head again after what he has put me through and his request to see his mentor was NEVER an option. I could just see that conversation, one doctor sticking up for another.

“Mr. 4000” did send Bill some photographs and Bill did conclude that he may not have had optimal growth. However, “Mr 4000’s” primary concern was the onset of pain that started and then remained in his neck and shoulder after the procedure. Photos he sent of his areas of concerns were a bit blurry and inconclusive. After Bill asked for better quality photos of the area, “Mr. 4000” responded with profanity and accused Bill of protecting Dr. Alexander and calling him a liar. Note that neither Bill nor I ever called him a liar but only asked for more information and documentation surrounding his case.

I sent the same picture to Dr. Wong and he had NO Trouble seeing that it would take 2000 grafts to fix the front third minimum. I didn't even go to my doctor for work there, but when I was there I asked if he had enough graft if he could add to my hairline. Why not? I was getting cut and flew across the country. Dr. Wong wouldn't even give a quote for the crown.

I also sent pictures to Dr. Shapiro and he quoted me 1200 in the hairline to fix what my doctor screwed up and a minimum of 1500-1800 in the crown so I guess the best doctors in North American have to be wrong because Bill and PLudge are the experts here.

At that point, there was simply nothing anyone could do to either help or to satisfy him. When his emails eventually turned to threats of extortion and assault against the publisher and moderators of this community, we felt it was in our best interest to terminate communication.

Help? You offered nothing. Help me then, What are you going to do, pay my medical bills? put hair on my head? You guys are crazy, all you did is take away information from others, I don't care let them get screwed over by this doctor, but don't call your site honest. My threats are clear. I received every lead and piece of information from you site that lead me to this doctor, and know I know why my head is hacked. You provide misinformation.

You guys could have listen to my concerns and answered my questions. You did not. You were the to sell HT surgeries and protect my doctor from losing money from his bad results. I bet he was going to sue you guys, was he?

I stand behind every thing I have said and done. Their site is a compete fraud.

and David don't forget how you complained about your first hack job by your doctor. You were so upset and them worked a deal with your doctor that was no where close to what he is offering me.

You told me he gave you a free transplant, and them paid for a little extra on the hairline.