Bosley may have been a mistake.

[JoeTillman]

I was fortunate to be able to chat about our experience and that was very cathartic.

One of the questions posed was about the doctor and in my interactions with him he was very kind and professional but I only saw him 2-3 quick times. I did interact with the RN and she seemed highly knowledgable and kind. I asked my fiancé about the doctor and he said that he didn't remember much of the time he was there because he was out for it but that he seemed meticulous which bodes well for placement and overall outcome I should think. I am focusing on any and all positives at this point.

He did say no one was necessarily unkind but that we both would have liked aspects of the experience to have been different. Such as allowing me to accompany him and what not.

I feel that having spoken about it alleviates some of the fear that there could be a poor outcome. It's a waiting game from here on out. I will post periodic photos and updates.

Also, in several months, we are to return for a follow-up and I will update the thread with that as well.

Sometimes being able to talk about these things can really help and I'm glad we were able to shed some light on your fiance's case and that you feel even a little bit better about the future. As I said on air, at this point, it is a waiting game and there is a strong chance that a positive outcome will be achieved. Good luck and if you have any questions let us know and we all look forward to the updates to come.

[Jojo1703]

Sometimes being able to talk about these things can really help and I'm glad we were able to shed some light on your fiance's case and that you feel even a little bit better about the future. As I said on air, at this point, it is a waiting game and there is a strong chance that a positive outcome will be achieved. Good luck and if you have any questions let us know and we all look forward to the updates to come.

Yep, you all helped a lot today. I was just cleaning the donor area and applying ointment when I began to feel that anxiety welling up. Having so many kind and knowledgable people who have taken their time to speak with me and reach out to us, is so helpful in alleviating that anxiety. I wish I could make you all my "famous" tiramisu to say thank you, I will just have to share the recipe.

From the bottom of our hearts again, I cannot express our gratitude at the support.

[WHTC Clinic]

The clinic may have assumed some liability by allowing you to be in the operating room. Permitting the supervision of a guest isn't an indication of how the grafts may grow. The results might be acceptable despite the unfortunate circumstance. Almost all of your concerns can be addressed by communicating with the clinic during the consultation process. Thanks for sharing.

[JoeTillman]

The clinic may have assumed some liability by allowing you to be in the operating room. Permitting the supervision of a guest isn't an indication of how the grafts may grow. The results might be acceptable despite the unfortunate circumstance. Almost all of your concerns can be addressed by communicating with the clinic during the consultation process. Thanks for sharing.

With all due respect, there is no legitimate reason to prevent the poster from seeing her fiance in the OR. As long as proper protocols are followed it should be allowed. In the unlikely circumstance that regulations would not allow she would still be able to visit during the lunch break or any other breaks that SHOULD have been given to the patient. However, regulations were not a part of this as she was told numerous times that it was the doctor's prerogative to not allow her into the OR so this was, at most, a bad judgement call by the doctor or whomever made this final decision.

[HTsoon]

He passed out due to blood loss? Was there a doctor on site? It could be he passed out from the meds they gave him. Nevertheless, hearing techs argue about not wanting to do the job they are getting paid to do is not a good sign. My question is where was the doctor during this time? I still don't understand why someone would choose to go to this hair mill in 2016. I hope everything works out for your fiancé.

[jamesst11]

He passed out due to blood loss? Was there a doctor on site? It could be he passed out from the meds they gave him. Nevertheless, hearing techs argue about not wanting to do the job they are getting paid to do is not a good sign. My question is where was the doctor during this time? I still don't understand why someone would choose to go to this hair mill in 2016. I hope everything works out for your fiancé.

They do not hire well trained techs most of the time. I was under the impression that my doc would do all the recipient site placement. I put my trust in her. The day off, she cut the strip quickly, sewed me up and left the room for two hours to tend to another patient I assume. The techs that were seperating the grafts, could not have been older than 23-25. These were the same techs that placed the grafts. My doc created the recipient sites, 900 of them, in probably less than five minutes. five months later, almost all my native hair was dead. Since then, I have heard numerous complaints about this horribly unethical doctor... but her practice remains... They are simply vultures. They are all parasites. Like a parasite, they use illusion and trickery to invade the host and simply feed off them repetitively, sucking their money dry in hopes of a better outcome the next time.

Jojo, I do not know if you feel comfortable doing this.. but anyone that has a bad experience with an unethical doctor, I believe, has the obligation to expose said doctor. I know for fact, my simple story has persuaded several others from being butchered by my same doctor, and other Bosley surgeons around the world. You should start a thread and expose these parasites.

[HTsoon]

They do not hire well trained techs most of the time. I was under the impression that my doc would do all the recipient site placement. I put my trust in her. The day off, she cut the strip quickly, sewed me up and left the room for two hours to tend to another patient I assume. The techs that were seperating the grafts, could not have been older than 23-25. These were the same techs that placed the grafts. My doc created the recipient sites, 900 of them, in probably less than five minutes. five months later, almost all my native hair was dead. Since then, I have heard numerous complaints about this horribly unethical doctor... but her practice remains... They are simply vultures. They are all parasites. Like a parasite, they use illusion and trickery to invade the host and simply feed off them repetitively, sucking their money dry in hopes of a better outcome the next time.

Jojo, I do not know if you feel comfortable doing this.. but anyone that has a bad experience with an unethical doctor, I believe, has the obligation to expose said doctor. I know for fact, my simple story has persuaded several others from being butchered by my same doctor, and other Bosley surgeons around the world. You should start a thread and expose these parasites.

That's awful man, you did the right thing by exposing them, I'm sure you helped a lot of young unsuspecting men by telling your story.

[jamesst11]

That's awful man, you did the right thing by exposing them, I'm sure you helped a lot of young unsuspecting men by telling your story.

Yeah, people like her have A LOT to repent for. I am no longer angry, I will let the universe deal with her horrendous atrocities. I mean, she forgot that I wasn't on finasteride when she performed it. She knew the most likely, life-altering outcome, she knew it. She performed it anyways to line her pockets with a couple grand. It takes a special kind of evil to knowingly disfigure someone for a couple grand.

[GNX]

it still amazes me that ppl get suckered into them late nite Bosley adds. it really demonstrates how ignorant ppl are wen it comes to HT's and choosing a HT doctor.

[JoeTillman]

it still amazes me that ppl get suckered into them late nite Bosley adds. it really demonstrates how ignorant ppl are wen it comes to HT's and choosing a HT doctor.

I think instead it demonstrates how effective marketing can be. When a company spends 30 million a year on marketing, such as Bosley does, it is not just to pay for commercials and magazine ads. It partially goes into research to find what works and what doesn't work and to understand how the average consumer reacts to specific marketing stimuli. These companies are not aiming for the consumer that is doing research on forums such as BTT. They are aimed at the consumer that believes reasonable sounding information, which to the uneducated, is exactly what their ads provide.

[GNX]

yea I guess ur right Joe. I mean usually on any of the HT forums the word Bosley is pretty much never discussed as an option but to those that have not done their research Bosley seems like the obvious choice I guess cause its not like ur seeing any of the top HT surgeons advertising on TV.

and BTW I think it was real shitty wat that coward ****over at ********* did to you. its a real shame a moron like runs that website. anyone who disagrees with him and says anything negative about a "Paying" doctor who advertises gets banned. he's a real schmuck and has no business running anything.

and to see the doctors that they actually recommend over there makes me LOL literally!

I think instead it demonstrates how effective marketing can be. When a company spends 30 million a year on marketing, such as Bosley does, it is not just to pay for commercials and magazine ads. It partially goes into research to find what works and what doesn't work and to understand how the average consumer reacts to specific marketing stimuli. These companies are not aiming for the consumer that is doing research on forums such as BTT. They are aimed at the consumer that believes reasonable sounding information, which to the uneducated, is exactly what their ads provide.

[Jojo1703]

They do not hire well trained techs most of the time. I was under the impression that my doc would do all the recipient site placement. I put my trust in her. The day off, she cut the strip quickly, sewed me up and left the room for two hours to tend to another patient I assume. The techs that were seperating the grafts, could not have been older than 23-25. These were the same techs that placed the grafts. My doc created the recipient sites, 900 of them, in probably less than five minutes. five months later, almost all my native hair was dead. Since then, I have heard numerous complaints about this horribly unethical doctor... but her practice remains... They are simply vultures. They are all parasites. Like a parasite, they use illusion and trickery to invade the host and simply feed off them repetitively, sucking their money dry in hopes of a better outcome the next time.

Jojo, I do not know if you feel comfortable doing this.. but anyone that has a bad experience with an unethical doctor, I believe, has the obligation to expose said doctor. I know for fact, my simple story has persuaded several others from being butchered by my same doctor, and other Bosley surgeons around the world. You should start a thread and expose these parasites.

His doctor didn't place any grafts. It was technicians who were young, early 20's I would say. One was sick the day of as well, i overheard her say she had a cold. I pray that they did a good job. I assume the doctor checked the work, but that is only an assumption.

[Jojo1703]

I think instead it demonstrates how effective marketing can be. When a company spends 30 million a year on marketing, such as Bosley does, it is not just to pay for commercials and magazine ads. It partially goes into research to find what works and what doesn't work and to understand how the average consumer reacts to specific marketing stimuli. These companies are not aiming for the consumer that is doing research on forums such as BTT. They are aimed at the consumer that believes reasonable sounding information, which to the uneducated, is exactly what their ads provide.

For our situation, we were honestly unaware that there were other options. Ten years ago when he did his first and second, he was young and thought that Bolsey was the front runner in HT surgery and didn't know of anything else. This is why we again went with them. I started doing research after feeling like the experience was "off". We live in a state without any HT doctors or a Bosley and honestly we put our trust in the name assuming that they were of quality. It was naive of us but as Joe said, marketing works. I'd honestly not seen a commercial for it before.

[jamesst11]

For our situation, we were honestly unaware that there were other options. Ten years ago when he did his first and second, he was young and thought that Bolsey was the front runner in HT surgery and didn't know of anything else. This is why we again went with them. I started doing research after feeling like the experience was "off". We live in a state without any HT doctors or a Bosley and honestly we put our trust in the name assuming that they were of quality. It was naive of us but as Joe said, marketing works. I'd honestly not seen a commercial for it before.

Don't feel bad. When 99% of the population here the words hair transplant, the first thought that pops into their mind is Bosley. Like Joe said, this is how they market. They infiltrate the minds of the public, so that when you're losing your hair, their name is always in the back of your mind. Like fast food and McDonalds.

[Jojo1703]

Hi Jojo,

James gave you my name and website for help. I've been away for the past few days and I just got back in a short while ago. I'm about to go on air, live, on the Bald Truth show so you are welcome to call in and discuss the issue.

http://gfqnetwork.com/live/

1.888.659.3727

Joe,

I had a couple questions since you have had a lot of experience with not only your own but all the doctors you have worked with.

I have been following your advice and documenting everything we do. Daily videos and photos and a diary log of times and actions.

Last night we were discussing some of the procedure and he had a couple questions and concerns.

We were told he was given a local anesthetic, but he was knocked out for the majority of the procedure. Is that common practice? He did not have that happen during his previous two. It concerns him that he had no memory or recollection for large chunks at a time. And of course since I wasn't allowed in or to talk to him it concerns me as well.

In about a year we are interested in visiting one of the doctors you recommend to discuss his options and any further procedures if needed. I know we may be jumping the gun, but we also want to be prepared. Had we been more prepared and done more research we could have saved ourselves a lot of tears, anxiety and pain.

My last question is about shampoo/conditioner and other products that you or your doctors recommend.

I have read several articles and posts about them and was wondering what products you recommended as there is a vast array of them on the market.

Thank you again.