1980's Patient - Looking to repair old donor scarred area

[hairhairhair456]

But no, you can't leave the temp vs. permanent debate aside as that is the underlying point.

Yes but that's really a different argument than the one you first made, and is the reason i said to leave it aside. You initially said that permanent SMP wasn't suitable for adding density to long hair, and that it was usually used for short hair. I wanted to inform anyone reading this that permanent SMP works just as well for adding density to long hair, lest they get the impression from your comment that it somehow wouldn't work visually.

I've started a new thread to continue the discussion, as i dont want to hijack this thread. (Link to new thread.)

[JoeTillman]

Yes, but the point of that part of my previous response was that it IS often offered... as nearly every permanent SMP company i have ever seen discusses using it to treat women with thinning hair, patchy alopecia, or even just guys who want to wear it longer. I had tried to link to 3 of the largest SMP companies discussing it, and i was just surprised to see that you weren't aware of this.



Ok, but in your previous comment you seemed to be specifically talking about adding density to longer hair, instead of the debate about whether temporary or permanent is better in general. Perhaps it came out differently than you meant to say.

Leaving the temporary vs permanent debate aside, they are equally viable for adding density to longer hair.

If more permanent SMP companies are offering long hair services then so be it. This wasn't always the case and to be blunt, I'm not paying attention to permanent SMP companies nowadays since most are con artists and thugs. The short time I dealt with some of the people on that side of the field was extremely unpleasant.

But no, you can't leave the temp vs. permanent debate aside as that is the underlying point. The downsides of permanent SMP affect buzzcut as well as long hair scenarios respectively. The dots are made differently and if you have dots that are turning blue or spreading and causing a confluence of ink long hair will not hide the problems. If you can see scalp without the dots you'll see the problems that the dots will create in the same space.

[hairhairhair456]

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. To be honest, I'm not entirely certain why permanent SMP is not offered often for adding density to longer hair.

Yes, but the point of that part of my previous response was that it IS often offered... as nearly every permanent SMP company i have ever seen discusses using it to treat women with thinning hair, patchy alopecia, or even just guys who want to wear it longer. I had tried to link to 3 of the largest SMP companies discussing it, and i was just surprised to see that you weren't aware of this.

Regardless, I just don't think doing a permanent tattoo on one's scalp is smart. There is no way to know how it's going to react over the long term. Trico, when performed correctly, is much more shallow and when it's gone it's gone. It's not a perfect solution but it doesn't put you into a corner like permanent SMP can.

Ok, but in your previous comment you seemed to be specifically talking about adding density to longer hair, instead of the debate about whether temporary or permanent is better in general. Perhaps it came out differently than you meant to say.

Leaving the temporary vs permanent debate aside, they are equally viable for adding density to longer hair.

[JoeTillman]

Was wondering if Joe or someone could answer as to why tricopigmentation would be suitable for this, but not permanent SMP.

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. To be honest, I'm not entirely certain why permanent SMP is not offered often for adding density to longer hair. It may have something to do with the deeper nature of the incisions and how it may cause shock. Regardless, I just don't think doing a permanent tattoo on one's scalp is smart. There is no way to know how it's going to react over the long term. Trico, when performed correctly, is much more shallow and when it's gone it's gone. It's not a perfect solution but it doesn't put you into a corner like permanent SMP can.

[hairhairhair456]

To explain the edit, it's because i linked to articles from 3 popular permanent SMP companies, where they discuss using permanent SMP in conjunction with long hair. Sorry, didn't know there was a rule against that.

[hairhairhair456]

Okay, no answer. Well, I'm puzzled as to why you think permanent SMP is rarely suitable for this purpose, but that tricopigmentation (which you are affiliated with) is. They are both dots of ink placed under the skin... so what makes permanent SMP dots less suitable for adding density to long hair, than temporary SMP dots?

Leaving that aside, numerous permanent SMP companies specifically discuss how their SMP can be used in conjunction with longer hair in men or women

With as much experience as you have researching SMP, i'm surprised that you think this type of service isn't offered by permanent SMP companies... as nearly every SMP website I've ever seen discusses and/or has pictures of SMP being used for women who have thinning hair, or people with patchy alopecia.

[hairhairhair456]

Was wondering if Joe or someone could answer as to why tricopigmentation would be suitable for this, but not permanent SMP.

[hairhairhair456]

As far as I know, permanent SMP is rarely suitable (much less offered) for adding density to average length hair and is usually used for those that want to maintain a shaved head. Tricopigmentation however is ideally suited for this purpose. As I said before, I had this done on myself a few times with excellent results. In the UK you can visit the Harley Street clinic in London, tell them I sent you and they'll get you sorted.

Why do you consider tricopigmentation suitable, but not permanent SMP?

[JoeTillman]

Hi Joe,

I'm interested in SMP for a scalp that is NOT shaved to add thickening to crown and donor area. This is the first time I had realised this could be possible thanks to your mentioning it. How effective is it for this purpose? I'm U.K though, not sure if there are any reputable experienced providers of this service over here.

Ta

As far as I know, permanent SMP is rarely suitable (much less offered) for adding density to average length hair and is usually used for those that want to maintain a shaved head. Tricopigmentation however is ideally suited for this purpose. As I said before, I had this done on myself a few times with excellent results. In the UK you can visit the Harley Street clinic in London, tell them I sent you and they'll get you sorted.

[monty3001]

Not necessarily. It depends on the length and color of his hair but some SMP is ideal for adding cosmetic density to one's hair. I've had it done myself a few times with tricopigmentation and it worked very well.

I think that some sort of FUE into the scars would be the best angle of attack on this problem. Beard hair and scalp hair would work but there would have to be a few passes to get it right.

Hi Joe,

I'm interested in SMP for a scalp that is NOT shaved to add thickening to crown and donor area. This is the first time I had realised this could be possible thanks to your mentioning it. How effective is it for this purpose? I'm U.K though, not sure if there are any reputable experienced providers of this service over here.

Ta

[WHTC Clinic]

Treating the scars by FUE grafting will require sufficient blood supply in order to be a success. Have more than one consultation with an expert in FUE and procedures involving beard hair.

[roso1234]

Donor Area Scarring

Would SMP cover up the bumps left by the open donor scarring? If Weidig had just sutured the donor area holes in the first place, camouflage would be a whole lot simpler now...

[JoeTillman]

two options brother - fue into the scar or SMP... with SMP you have to constantly have head shaved to a zero

Not necessarily. It depends on the length and color of his hair but some SMP is ideal for adding cosmetic density to one's hair. I've had it done myself a few times with tricopigmentation and it worked very well.

I think that some sort of FUE into the scars would be the best angle of attack on this problem. Beard hair and scalp hair would work but there would have to be a few passes to get it right.

[incider]

I was one of the thousands of patients that had old punch grafts done in the late 1980's. I have three rows of these scars at the back of my head. Donor area is now thinning(Doctor back then said this would never happen). Am looking for a solution to make my head look as normal as possible short of wearing a hair piece again. Any and all advice/experience noted is appreciated. Thank you.

Best solution is to get beard hair transplanted into the scar tissue (assuming you have a decent supply)

I had extensive punch graft scarring from having numerous transplants back in the day, and I've had it all repaired over the last year and a half.

Beard hair grows well in scar tissue and it can give a great result.

SMP might be an option but, at the end of the day, it's just a disguise and you can't beat having hair growing where you need it.

[gillenator]

roso,

I see that you're from the Baltimore area. I would bet that your doctor was Dr. Weidig?

And I agree that 19 year olds should never ever have any HT work done.

The best barometer is family history. If either side has men in the NW7 class, then that's almost always the future for guys who experience MPB in their teens and early 20's.

Hair systems have come a long way since when I used to wear them so it's something to consider if something like DRT is not an option.

You are welcome to come and see me for a free assessment as I live in the area.