NORWOOD 6 members who have had HT surgery

[FearTheLoss]

From FUE results I've seen today from top doctors, I believe someone with good hair characteristics and a decent beard can go from nw6-nw2 granted they have the finances backing them. Throw in some SMP in your donor, overharvest it a little and you could have a really good head of hair.


..and if consistent, legit donor regeneration comes into the picture...beard hair won't even be needed.

scarless surgery plus 50% regeneration or more would cure most nw6.

[Artista]

Fred that's GREAT that your being REALISTIC as to knowing what a good HT could do for you. Decent coverage , relatively speaking, can be achieved through an EXPERIENCED IAHRS certified Doctor. I wish you luck bro,, I'm sure you will be happier

[topcat]

Fred that is a very realistic goal that makes sense.

[fred970]

I hope so Artista. I'll be going for my fist FUE in February despite my seemingly hopeless situation.

I think I'm in good hands with Dr. De Reys. There's not much left I can do besides a HT anyway. My main goal is to have somewhat of a frame to my face, even if it means only the first third of my scalp. As long as it looks natural.

I could live with something like that:



PS: he didn't have a HT, this is his natural hair.

I wish I could go slick but my morphology and skin tone make me look like I'm undergoing chemotherapy.

[Artista]

Fred, hopefully something good will be available , sooner than later bro !

[fred970]

I'm not far from the dreaded NW6 and Dr. Bisanga told me I had 65 hairs/cm² in the donor area. So slightly below average.

[Artista]

Hey Jotronic..
Could you please post what the approximate donor hair averages have been for the basic NW6 patients
I would appreciate it Joe ~Thanks

[topcat]

Well I think that Betty analogy can really help a lot of these young guys out. Maybe by seeing it in a different way they will better understand and see themselves. If most were honest they would say that Betty’s A cups really don’t matter as much as she thinks they do. They also can see how easy it would be to take advantage of Betty’s insecurity, just a friendly voice and a pat on the back telling her it can easily be remedied is all it takes.

But if it is really going to help Betty feel good about herself most people that cared about her would probably tell her yeah sure bump up a bit to the next cup size…………..that would be good advice. They certainly would not tell her to go for the gianormous DD’s.

[Artista]

Topcat,,great points of view..being REALISTIC in expectations would be everyone's major tool in treating hair loss

[topcat]

The real problem is these guys that start too young and are destined to be a NW6. They too often get bad advice and the hairlines are still too low and dense.

Of course they are easy sells for many clinics. It’s like the young woman that walks into the doctor’s office with her A cups. She is so bothered about it that she is willing to take her top off in front a doctor in hopes of being helped. Her insecurities outweigh her embarrassment. She is a very easy sell. That insecurity that she feels that no man will want her because of her tiny breasts is very easy to take advantage of and hopefully the doctor does the right thing and does not use that insecurity to his advantage. Many of you young guys are the male equivalent to Betty and many concerned with climbing the financial ladder know it, they salivate when you walk in the door and yes I was that same guy at 23 wish I would have had someone to explain it to me.

In this case let’s name the patient Betty. Maybe Betty really wants to wow everyone and be the center of attention so she pleads to the doctor to set her up with the double D’s. Hopefully the doctor convinces Betty to go for a B cup and at the most maybe a C cup. But many doctors would be happy to oblige Betty’s wishes if it meant more money because really they don’t care about Betty and why would they as showing off the double D work is apt to bring in more business.


Certainly Betty will become the center of attention and every man will want to date Betty, she is on top of the world. The real problems for Betty come years later when not only do the double D’s not matter so much but they ain’t looking as good as they use to and the men are not paying Betty much attention with those double D’s sagging down to the waist line. So eventually just like the majority of women who have this procedure at some point in time Betty needs to go in for repair and have those once dazzling delights removed. She might opt for something that makes more sense or just say screw it as it really doesn’t matter anymore. Now Betty has gone back to A cups and what’s even worse is her whole body is deformed and scarred up for just a little glory that lasted only a few moments in time. Betty with the big boobs is no more.

Chances are if Betty would have gone to the right doctor and had the B cups she would still be going strong today and so it is with hair. If you are a young guy and your hairline is too low and dense from hair transplant surgery and that position is higher than most young guys think then you will end up like Betty trying to reverse the procedure and get back to normal. As having a low dense hairline with nothing behind it looks very odd. Yes you will still be attracting attention but not the kind you would probably welcome.

High thin hairline with just a little density behind it is the only sensible approach for a very high norwood.

[topcat]

This is what I mean by turning the clock back a few years. This picture of Bruce Willis with a little bit of hair would be a very sensible approach for a NW6 maybe a little less maybe a little more and leave the crown bald. But going in thinking you are going to get this thick mop of hair would be very unrealistic. That is simply selling you something that in the majority of cases is just not possible.

The majority of guys that walk into a clinic are at a complete disadvantage. Just the fact that you have the balls to walk into one in person means you are desperate enough to want to do something. You have already lost and if the guy you are dealing with is not honest and ethical you are in very big trouble.

High thin hairline with a bald crown is a very reasonable expectation. It’s good solid advice.

[UK_]

God help us.

[gillenator]

Individuals with outstanding hair characteristics like Bobman have far more potential to achieve the illusion of coverage.

And the higher degree of coarseness, the better potential in achieving the illusion of coverage. After all, it is the single most critical factor considered in achieving this illusion of coverage.

HT surgery was never intended to get anyone back to original or juvenile levels of density. HT surgery is without a doubt gaining an illusion of coverage and if individuals are happy with their own respective results regardless of density, then that's all that matters in the end.

[fred970]

Excellent post topcat. I loved the marbles analogly .

This is exactly what I plan to do. Restore my NW5 as much as possible with FUE. If for some reason, I don't achieve what I want, I'm ready to use dermmatch which had worked amazingly well for me in the past.

I know I won't be able to treat the crown but it seems to be holding very well with minoxidil alone. I'm reaching the point on no return, almost no frame at all to my face. I'm a good looking guy but I'm really starting to look very odd without a frame to my face. I've never known the horror of a receding hairline (my hair just faded equally in the NW5 area), but in a few months, I'll be a full-blown NW5.

I think I've done my homework. I've seen an IAHRS surgeon who told me I won't be happy without a crown. Another clinic told me to go get myself a rug. And finally Dr. De Reys who truly understood what I wanted. Anyway this is my only option left, besides accepting looking like an old man at 24 years old.

[topcat]

I suppose there are plenty of ways to explain it especially to younger guys who really don’t understand and I like this example. You have 100 marbles and you have lost 50 of those marbles. Regardless of what you conjure up in your mind you will never have 100 marbles again and to plan on having 100 marbles again is very foolish so you need to come to terms with this reality. Out of the 50 marbles you may have 15 marbles you can use to cover the area where the 50 marbles use to be. That is providing you don’t waste the marbles and lose some along the way as you replace them. You can arrange those 15 marbles any way you like to cover that area but it’s only 15 marbles. So you will end up trying to move those marbles strategically to really make it look like you have the area covered maybe even use some spray to hold them in place and you know in the right light it might just look like you have those 50 marbles back again. When someone turns the lights up guess what chances are the illusion will be up and this applies to the greater percentage of patients regardless if a very few can still keep the illusion going. If someone tells you something different they are lying to you plain and simple.

My experience having had several different types of procedures and not being in the business of having to sell you something and has taught me a few things. When I had a large chunk of flesh excised from the back of my head I had a tightness that seemed to last forever probably close to 20 years before it finally felt normal again. I also had numbness for equally as long with an area that itched but impossible to relieve by scratching it. I had the shooting pains which I found bearable but I did sometimes say to myself wow as the nerve connections started to come back. If I wore my hair long it wasn’t a problem to cover up the scar but if I went swimming the hair could easily part in such a way that it would be exposed and easily seen. Same thing for resting your head anywhere you always needed to have access to 2 mirrors to check that everything was in place and the scar was not exposed as the hair had a natural tendency to part in that area. So if you are a young guy doing the sleep over thing than does become an issue that needs to be constantly dealt with. Chances are very good if you are a NW6 and you have a procedure you will become a slave to your hair plain and simple and it becomes very tiring much worse than being bald.

If I were a Norwood 6 today with a virgin scalp I would only consider reversing the balding process a few years by way of fue. High thin mature hairline with the hairs all angled in the right direction. It frames the face and you can keep it short to medium length and look good. You will not become a slave to your hair because you tried to do something about it. If it goes well you will have nothing to hide. Don’t really need to make the explanation sound too technical because when it comes down to it, it really is common sense when it’s all pointed out.

If you are a NW6 and are considering a procedure just take a look at others around you with similar hair loss. Look at that donor area and if you can visualize how you are going to take a small percentage of that area and use it to cover the bald area and you really can see it and it makes sense than it’s your choice. But chances are reality will kick in.

Most NW 6 guys cannot grow their hair long in the back because it looks ridiculous so that does become an issue when trying to cover up a scar. In reality strip is probably best left for someone that is going to be a NW3 or 4 for the rest of their life and they can deal with some of the issues involved with having that procedure. As far as FUE if you are going to keep you hair short and neat it can be an ideal procedure. If you want to shave to the bone depending on how much you have had extracted from the donor region and the size of the punch along with the skill of the doctor it can become an issue. But guess what if you want to shave to the bone don’t have a hair transplant. You have unrealistic expectations and you should be told that flat out at the beginning.

A good example of what a NW6 can achieve in my opinion would be a look like Jason Straham. Maybe you could do better and maybe not but it’s a good gauge in my opinion. Have a little bit more hair, look normal without issues of having to constantly hide something and get on with your life.



If you are a NW 6 find a picture of yourself from 5 years ago or so and chances are that it what you can bring back and maybe you will be happy with that which is okay just be realistic. And yes if your beard hair is a very close match you might be able to do a little better just fully understand what you are getting into and only stick your toe in the water.