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Swooping
10-04-2016, 04:20 PM
You couldn't be more wrong, Finasteride and Dutasteride would NEVER be approved to be sold in a topical solution for exactly the reasons I've explained, the risk for cross-contamination is too high, if you broke up a Finasteride pill and handled the dust you'd have a near similar effect on DHT levels as you would if you swallowed the pill.

Damn I really need to have the stuff you are smoking lol...

bluewater
11-03-2016, 11:39 AM
There is a "Compounding Pharmacy" close to me. They make prescriptions , rather than talking pre-made pills from a manufacturer and reselling them. My Vet prescribes a solution for a cat that needs to be made up and these places do that. Is this a formula they can make and legally sell to me? I am a bit intimidate by the whole process spelled out here. Thank you.

Notgivingup2
11-03-2016, 12:34 PM
There is a "Compounding Pharmacy" close to me. They make prescriptions , rather than talking pre-made pills from a manufacturer and reselling them. My Vet prescribes a solution for a cat that needs to be made up and these places do that. Is this a formula they can make and legally sell to me? I am a bit intimidate by the whole process spelled out here. Thank you.

If you purchase the RU in powder form then yes, they could probably make it for you. I'm not sure they would though as it's probably illegal for them to do so for you.

doke
12-26-2016, 04:34 AM
Advice regards putting ru58841 in kirkland or any 5% minoxidil is to maybe mix if putting into 60mls of minox 3 grams of ru in a small amount of pure alchohol and shaking the bottle until the ru is clear then add to your minox.
I say this as i wasted a whole bottle of 60mls of minox and ru as you have to leave in fridge i had ice particals in my mix and also due to water in minox the ru never mixed.
I Have made batchs in pure 50mls alchohol which are ok but can dry out the scalp thats why kb solution is better.
My next mix will be in either 30mls minox or 60mls but as said mix ru first.

bluewater
12-26-2016, 10:24 AM
Doke: How is this stuff working for you? Seriously. I have heard everything . It works it doesn't, it's dangerous.. I can't determine if its worth getting involved in. Minox has not worked and I am now trying that dema roller . The question is. Does it grow hair for you in the places you need it to be?

doke
12-26-2016, 01:02 PM
Doke: How is this stuff working for you? Seriously. I have heard everything . It works it doesn't, it's dangerous.. I can't determine if its worth getting involved in. Minox has not worked and I am now trying that dema roller . The question is. Does it grow hair for you in the places you need it to be?

Hi Bluewater im not sure what hair you have still but you could try minoxidil + antiandrogen medroxyprogestorone which in my early days which was when I was in my middle 30s using that 5% minoxidil did really thicken my hair up I did use about 1.5ml twice a day.
You can see my post of where to buy this med on progesterone thread, as to ru being dangerous I do not think so but I cannot say its safe due to it being experimental although I have used it and other hairloss forum members have but its no cure.
As I have tried many naturals and drugs for hairloss including oral dutasteride you can always ask on this forum before you waste your money on scams that are out there.

bluewater
12-26-2016, 02:45 PM
I have tried minox. Used it for years. Didn't do anything. Finally gave up. I also tried Fin. That stopped my progression. But the skin doctor that wrote me the prescription said to take like .05mg a day. Way to much. Then that whole scare about the physical repercussions came out.I couldn't tell if the sexual sides were real or imagined. And if they were real, were they med related or age related as I was in my late 50's already when I took it. It did affect my temperament though. I became easily agitated. My wife was calling it "snapping". I had no patience for anything so I stopped that as well. Now my hair is receding and thinning and I am looking for something else. Hearing mixed things about RU. I can't tell if it is snake oil or not.

doke
12-27-2016, 03:28 AM
Hi Blue did you use minox on its own? if so which brand? and did you use with an antiandrogen? if not the that's the problem.
I do not really like using drugs but at this time I do feel that minoxidil with an added antiandrogen is the best treatment I myself did not get any results from proscar and dutasteride although I did not use topical minoxidil with them I would rather use topicals then oral anyway.
I did try lipogaine minoxidil but I did find any minoxidil with az acid in sticky so im now on minoxidil 5% with medroxyprogestorone and also added a natural topical progesterone as well.

bluewater
12-27-2016, 09:10 AM
I used Kirkland Minox. It was affordable and I wasn't aware that there might be any difference between it and any other brand. The foam caused irritation so I stuck with the liquid. Did not use it with a antiandrogen. I had not heard of it or that it was a recommendation. Is medroxyprogestorone a pill or cream? I looked that up and it sounds pretty scary. Many possible and negative side effects for men. Suggested it should be used under the care of a doctor. Did you do that? I read they give it to sex offenders to kill sex drive. Can be hard on the liver as well. A great DHT blocker though. Tell me about your experience with it. I am still wondering if RU should be something to consider. For me it falls into the category of UFO's . Some swear they exists some don't. Most people don't know.

doke
12-27-2016, 10:55 AM
Bluewater minox mixed with medroxyprogestorone has been on sale in many hairloss clinics in uk since the 1990s and it can help in mpb.

doke
12-27-2016, 11:03 AM
Hi Swooping i have just found a web site that talks about ru58841 and they mention the bald truth and your name crops up as a scammer for kane anagenic shop as you have a connection to this company or they offered you and other people on this forum glowing reports of ru from this company in exchange for feebies.
Now they also say a usa company is better and more trustworthy to buy your ru from and that the premix solutions by the time you receive them have little ru in them.
Now they also say that you get your ru from a iso reg company which kane shop is not i thought you should have a right of reply to this web site which you may already know about.

bluewater
12-27-2016, 11:11 AM
I haven't heard of it. Is there a brand name I need to look for? Or ask for? How do I go about finding this. I am in the USA.

Thanks

doke
12-27-2016, 12:16 PM
Blue there is the wimpole clinic London also the Norton clinic and Dr Alan robinson chemist which I put his uk tel number on the thread progesterone.
I think that some may post to usa but you will have to find out.

bluewater
12-27-2016, 12:52 PM
I found Spironolactone 2% for sale. How might this work?

funkville
12-27-2016, 01:49 PM
Blue there is the wimpole clinic London also the Norton clinic and Dr Alan robinson chemist which I put his uk tel number on the thread progesterone.
I think that some may post to usa but you will have to find out.


Hey doke I rang the number but it was just ringing out. I went online and sourced the upper beeding pharmacy where he works. 01903 813218. I will try again tomorrow morning. How much does he charge per bottle?

doke
12-27-2016, 02:22 PM
They maybe closed for Christmas I know he will supply 120mls which he does 4% and 5% minoxidil with progesterone I think its better for you to buy 6 months supply due to postage.
The wimpole clinic in London sells 120mls for 55 last time I bought 120mls from Dr Robinson it was 47 but cheaper as said if you buy six months not sure what postage is to you.

Cantona
01-03-2017, 07:37 AM
I haven't heard of it. Is there a brand name I need to look for? Or ask for? How do I go about finding this. I am in the USA.

Thanks

I got last month my RU58841 from purityprod.com and so far so good... Sebum is virtually gone as did my original result on RU58841 self made solution. The price is also crazy less expensive than what it was previously on the market, its a good thing for us and wish it will it will continue to move down :p

Paindemonium
01-25-2017, 06:43 PM
Why dont you stop chemically castrating yourself and live with your hair loss? Hereditary hair loss is not a health condition, you dont need drugs designed for prostate cancer patients to treat it, it's incredibly dangerous and beyond the realms of stupidity IMO.

As for RU58841 being safe, that's a laugh, cancers usually take years to develop 5+ years etc so to take that risk is also beyond stupid, chronic lymphomas for instance can appear after patients have been completely asymptomatic for over a decade yet always carried the disease until they discover they're stage 4 and on their death beds within 12 - 18 months.

The fact that this is a topical treatment, also puts everyone in your household at risk for exposure, why do you think there are NO topical anti-androgens approved by the FDA? Too expensive to market? Not effective enough? LOL whoever came up with that theory was monkey-stupid. Imagine a topical finasteride used for 6 months or less within a household of 5 people, talk to a chemical expert he/she will tell you any topical brought into the home is exposed to everyone in some way or another eventually, just the a common cold.

Hairloss is actually linked to a pletora of disseases. It is an indicator of shitty genes.

I've tried it all except RU and im still balding, my scalp itches. There's no hope. Time to look for a wig I guess.

Patrickfegan
02-07-2017, 03:02 PM
Hi I was just wondering about where is the best place to buy ru. I bought ru powder from Kane and the Kb solution. I have used it for a short while but I'm still feeling like my hair is being attacked by dht. I also apply revivogen an hour later. I have heard ru is strongest topical. Suppose I'm asking how long would it take to work and is ru from Kane known for being reliable. Just so I will know that if it doesn't work it isn't down to dodgey purity . Sorry if this has been covered on the thread before I don't have time to go through them all and wondering whether buy more .

zurich
02-13-2017, 03:07 AM
I used RU from Kane for 3months. Caused more thinning and hair was like straw. Gave up on it. I'd like a reputable company to do so tests on it. Havent seen any independent proof it works.

I started balding at about 25 and maintained for 15 years with minoxidil and propecia. Side effects from propecia were subtle but gradually just lost interest in sex and was losing muscle tone. Stopping propecia started the thinning again. Body in great shape though. Now Using Spectral DNC-s and Spectral DNC-Astressin, Revita, Minoxidil and Viviscal.

PaulAnds
02-15-2017, 07:14 AM
I am using RU for 2 months now, combined with Minox (which i use since 2 years). Yesterday i took a closer look at the mirror and saw some thin (new?) hair. Hope it will become thick and more. Buyed the RU from AndroChem (cheapest so far?). After next month i will tell you if i continue with RU or quit.

PaulAnds
03-14-2017, 11:40 AM
*Update*
The RU seems to work fine for me (RU+Alc+PG). I started dermarolling as well. So at the moment I use RU and Minox topical (Minox just every 3rd day as a booster) and derma roller 1 session/week.
Feels good so far, no sideeffects noticed.

PaulAnds
03-14-2017, 11:40 AM
*Update*
The RU seems to work fine for me (RU+Alc+PG). I started dermarolling as well. So at the moment I use RU and Minox topical (Minox just every 3rd day as a booster) and derma roller 1 session/week.
Feels good so far, no sideeffects noticed.

zurich
04-25-2017, 03:41 AM
*Update*
The RU seems to work fine for me (RU+Alc+PG). I started dermarolling as well. So at the moment I use RU and Minox topical (Minox just every 3rd day as a booster) and derma roller 1 session/week.
Feels good so far, no sideeffects noticed.

I posted a few months ago that readymade RU from Kane wasn't working for me. I since got the powder and mix it with Stemoxidine 50mg and getting some thin new hairs along the hair line. Nothing has done that for me before - not minox, DNC-Spectral, propecia etc.

I dermaroll 0.3mm before use and apply once a day at night.

markusbdc
04-25-2017, 10:42 AM
Does anyone know what ever became of ol' Hellouser? He was one hell of a prolific blogger in his day I wonder if he still has hair or just gave it all up...??

robodoc
04-30-2017, 12:47 PM
I posted a few months ago that readymade RU from Kane wasn't working for me. I since got the powder and mix it with Stemoxidine 50mg and getting some thin new hairs along the hair line. Nothing has done that for me before - not minox, DNC-Spectral, propecia etc.

I dermaroll 0.3mm before use and apply once a day at night.

What is Stemoxidine?? How are the "new hairs"?

doke
05-28-2017, 03:12 AM
Things You'll Need:

1) Get 10 grams of RU from Kane.

2) At the same time order off of eBay or Amazon a 0.001 gram digital scale. You NEED this to correctly measure 30-100mg of RU for each application. These typically cost between $20-30 US, heres the one I use: http://i50.tinypic.com/23j28wn.jpg

3) Buy yourself the following items at the drug store;
-1ml dropper ($2-3.00 max)
-100ml or more of propylene glycol (aka PG) (I paid $3.10 for 200ml)
-Everclear alcohol. Make sure it is 95% alcohol/190 Proof. http://tinypic.com/r/246rjmd/6

4) Obtain a very small bottle that holds no more than 20ml of liquid, you'll need this to make your daily mix of RU with PG and Everclear. I use a small 'Testors' bottle (I bought it containing paint but knew I would dump it out and use it for mixing RU). Refer here for my testors bottle:
Image: http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/vjgje.xrorj/v/vspfiles/photos/8804T-2.jpg
http://www.newcenturyhobbies.com/Testors_Decal_Setting_Solution_1_4_oz_Bottle_8804T _p/8804t.htm

Although, a company called 'Aztek' also makes small bottles, check here:
Image: http://www2.gpmd.com/image/t/tesr5330.jpg
http://www3.omnimodels.com/cgi-bin/woi0001p?&P=WR&I=TESR5330

5) Buy yourself a small measuring spoon, you don't need to go balls out on this, just get something cheap but SMALL even from a cheap 'Dollar Store'. You'll need to scoop up the RU powder somehow.

Note: here's an image of some of the stuff thats used in my arsenal against MPB:

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l490/hellouser/arsenal-labeled.jpg

Whats is a 'Vehicle' ?

RU powder cannot be applied directly on the scalp with the hopes of being effective. It needs to penetrate the skin and works it magic where the hair follicle lives. This can only be done when RU is mixed into a solution like Everclear or KB and dissolved completely. Your solution should end up looking completely clear. This is known as a vehicle. In this guide I show and explain how to use RU with Everclear. There is also another popular one (as mentioned previously) called KB. You can buy this in group buys or elsewhere (Kane, MPB Treatments) and mix RU in that. KB is a prepared vehicle, so you won't need to mix any alcohols and PG together which is a bonus, but the downside is you don't have control over the ratio between alcohol/pg.

How To Mix:

1) Using your digital scale and scoop, measure however much you'd like to use. Don't use more than 100mg *ever* although its good to start off for the first month or so at a higher dosage like 100mg only to kickstart the whole process and any potential regrowth. Make sure to use the TARE function when you've got your small plate on the scale, obviously this cannot be weighed as part of the RU powder so you'll need to be at 0.000 weight before beginning.

2) Dump the RU powder into your small bottle.

3) Using your 1ml dropper, pour 0.7ml of everclear into the bottle and let the RU mix with it for 10minutes or so. I typically mix the RU and everclear a little more by squeezing in and squeezing out the mixed solution with the dropper. Having it just sit doesn't desolve it completely. I do this for about 30 seconds though.

4) Using your 1ml dropper again, pour in 0.3ml of PG into the bottle and mix it again with the RU and everclear. I typically wait a couple minutes for it to mix in completely.

Youre ready to apply.

Application:

1) Its absolute BEST to apply mixed and prepared RU after youve washed your hair/scalp and your hair is completely dry. Try to apply it within 30 minutes of washing your hair because your scalp produces an oily substance called sebum which will lessen the efficacy of RU penetrating the skin and blocking DHT topically.

2) If using on your hairline, be aware that the RU solution is a bit watery so its best to apply WITHIN and behind the hairline. You'll want to preserve what may be receded but potentially also regrow any hair. This way, youre not just applying it the slick bald spots, you want to maintain as well! If you apply it just outside the hairline to regrow anything, you'll find that a lot of runs down your noggin and go to waste.

Tip: Exfoliate your scalp! This is actually good because it removes old skin and lets you fight DHT even better. Try to buy yourself an exfoliating cream. Theyre not too expensive, maybe $25 at the most but you won't use much of it anyway, just around the hairline/temples or wherever needed. I typically exfoliate before showering. Let the cream sit for about 1-2 minutes though.

Here's where I apply RU:

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l490/hellouser/ru-application.jpg

Red lines indicate where I drop RU. Any spots in between are usually rubbed in with finger or compensated with CB which I'm on as well.

Storage:

Keep your RU powder sealed and in the fridge or better yet in the freezer to have the efficacy last for as long as possible. I've read that RU can withstand several weeks in normal room temperature before it goes bad, but don't risk that and just store it in the fridge/freezer. Also, make sure it is kept AWAY from light and sealed tight blocking out air. I have mine stored in a small plastic bottle closed tight but I also put the bottle into a ziplock bag as well and in the fridge.

Notes:

Try not to buy anything thats an 'all-in-one' as the efficacy in that is pretty much crap compared to fresh daily batches of mixed RU. Its best to do this process every day, but 3-5 days worth of batches prepared is fine as well. It is tedious at first, but soon enough it will become pretty quick and you wont need to use the digital scale and you'll end up just eye-balling it. Again, try to store it in the fridge and away from light and air. I suppose one of those old 35mm film roll containers could work quite well against light, but keep it double sealed regardless.

How long will RU58841 last?
It depends on the concentration. The higher concentration, the better the efficacy, the shorter it will last you and the more its going to cost you. Its also going to depend how many times a day you apply and if you apply more than 1ml per application. 10mg of RU in 1ml is useless. Don't expect results. 20mg isnt going to do much either, so don't bother. I wouldn't go below 50mg.

I've upped my dosage to 100mg/1ml and apply once daily. So, do the math;

10grams (10,000mg) / 100mg = 100 applications

Since I use RU once daily, that obviously gives me 100 days worth of usage, so a little over 3 months. If you buy from Kane, 10g will cost you $225, or $75/month.

Results: I've created a log of my usage with RU, Minox, Nizoral, CB and Saw Palmetto, read here for more details; http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=12390

Hi Hell a question about ru instead of prop glychol why not try mix ru in alcohol and a small amount of dmso which is we a penetration enhancer and also can reduce inflammation for the ru to get to the follicle.
Now as said i wonder if a 50/50 of alcohol to dmso would be ok or a smaller amount?

zurich
05-28-2017, 04:48 PM
Has Hellrouser posted in the last few years? Be interesting to get an update. I assume no news is not a good sign.

dustovshio
10-04-2017, 11:38 PM
Hi Hell a question about ru instead of prop glychol why not try mix ru in alcohol and a small amount of dmso which is we a penetration enhancer and also can reduce inflammation for the ru to get to the follicle.
Now as said i wonder if a 50/50 of alcohol to dmso would be ok or a smaller amount?

No that is too high concentration of dmso. I'd do as close to 100% isopropyl or ethanol then follow up with some kind of lotion to moisturize it.

bluewater
10-05-2017, 07:24 AM
After getting the glycol and ever clear, I decided to go the minoxidil route. It never worked for me so when I stopped using it, I had 4 bottles of it left over. When I went to the liquor store to get the ever clear a big bottle was like $25 and they were all out. The guy said that it was no longer going to be available. Thie is the EVERCLEAR brand 151 proof. I bought a pint for $10. So be aware this product might no longer be available. I have 2 questions as I begin use of this .1. I have read conflicting information about RU. Some info says it grows new hair, while others say its like Fin and just retains it. Which is it? 2. How often. Some say once a day, some say twice. I just started yesterday so we will see what happens.

markusbdc
10-05-2017, 12:45 PM
Has Hellrouser posted in the last few years? Be interesting to get an update. I assume no news is not a good sign.

Yeah I always wonder what became of this guy....probably became a bald headed accountant somewhere...

markusbdc
10-05-2017, 12:47 PM
I would think that DMSO would tend to drive the compound deep enough as to become systemic which isn't what you really want to happen..