50 grafts patch test in Vitro Hair Doubling as requested by GC @Dr. Nigam's

[534623]

considering gho is the only clinic who offers HST(stem cell tranplant) procedure we can all agree that it is not popular..

IF Dr. Gho would cut the costs per HST procedure in half - I guess it would be still too pricey for girls like you, but definitely not for those who are seriously interested in hair transplants.

[drnigams]

GC,
Regarding your querry on invitro versus invivo.
The last post was typed very fast, as i was multitasking.
As i was missing the visibility in invivo before but not anymore with the access to hair ultrasound and doppler.
Invivo will become preferred choice, as against when it was blind (even fue is blind and fut is partially blind).
Why because now i can bisect the graft at exact level where i want.
Invivo will now have only advantages
1)the most important part(do no harm),the donor cannot be damaged and will regrow in totality(except if the doc accidentally takes out the graft with the root), since the dermal papilla with its blood supply is intact(same what happens when a girl pluck's her eyebrow every month and it regrows with same diameter ).
So now we can have unlimited donor every 4 to 6 months.
I benevolently diiffer with didi's observation that some people say that blood supply will be compromised if too much donor is extracted.
We can always compare with 30cms x1.5cms strip(45sqcms) removal by FUT surgeons, wherein the blood vessels and nerves are totally cut off.
Still they all redo second fut after 6 months.
Specially if we can use less invasion by not going too deep and plucking the graft out under USG.
We will see how many maximum grafts are safe to extract in one session.
Not to forget the boosters for wound healing like stemcells,ecm,angiogenesis growth factors we use.

[Arashi]

arashi you are fanboy

Maybe I'm a bit of a fanboy. But if so, that's only because HST undeniably is the best thing out there. No other technique out there has proven donor regrowth. I'm just extremely happy this is available right now and I can get hair transplanted without sacrificing most of my donor.

but you shd know there is something fishy abt this hair multiplication claims by dr gho.. if it was real he would have monopolized HT market by now and would have clinic in every city..and doctors would be lining up to get trained for 60ks..bargain...even dr Woods said its bargain and he would be willing to pay if its real..

When I called them for my procedure I told them I wanted dr Gho himself to operate on me. They said fine, but you'll have to wait 5 months. I then said, ok, what about another doctor. They checked their schedule and I could get an appointment in Maastricht within 11 weeks.

If you had gotten a HST yourself you'd understand how extremely difficult the procedure is to do. The drills are extremely small. When my technician took a break, another technician took over (still in training) but her success-to-failure ratio was horrible. You need years of experience to become good at it. That is what is keeping Gho back at opening clinics at the speed of light.

[534623]

With all due respect to Dr Nigam he has still proved nothing yet.

It's a shame it was only 15 grafts instead of the suggested 50.

...and as far as I remember - he could only find one 3-hair graft.

didi must be pissed ...

[didi]

'If you had gotten a HST yourself you'd understand how extremely difficult the procedure is to do'

Thats not true, hasci tech extracts 300-400 grafts per hour...on par with FUE+no magnifying needed..naked eye is good..so how the hell can it be more difficult than FUE?
I know hasci told you its so difficult...

dr woods is extracting follicles with magnification and it takes him 2-3 hours to get 500 grafts but you know all his grafts will grow..the rest of procedure is exactly the same as fue

[Arashi]

'If you had gotten a HST yourself you'd understand how extremely difficult the procedure is to do'

Thats not true, hasci tech extracts 300-400 grafts per hour...on par with FUE+no magnifying needed..naked eye is good..so how the hell can it be more difficult than FUE?

I'm really getting tired of you Didi. Is it really that difficult to understand that the smaller the drill is, the more difficult it will be to extract a graft ?

[didi]

...and as far as I remember - he could only find one 3-hair graft.

didi must be pissed ...

Next test I will instruct dr nigam to extract 50 3 hair grafts and we will monitor both areas.

[Arashi]

Next test I will instruct dr nigam to extract 50 3 hair grafts and we will monitor both areas.

And also instruct him he'd need to do it on an independent person, if you want us to take the results seriously.

[534623]

'If you had gotten a HST yourself you'd understand how extremely difficult the procedure is to do'

Thats not true, hasci tech extracts 300-400 grafts per hour...on par with FUE+no magnifying needed..naked eye is good..so how the hell can it be more difficult than FUE?
I know hasci told you its so difficult...

dr woods is extracting follicles with magnification and it takes him 2-3 hours to get 500 grafts but you know all his grafts will grow..the rest of procedure is exactly the same as fue

Sure, you're THE extractions expert ...

And NO, I didn't know that all Woods-grafts grow. Do you have any proof? I guess no ...

[drnigams]

Arashi,
Ask im,donor regen is not an issue with my invivo technique as the dermal papilla is intact with it's blood and nerve supply.
Thereal thing which you should focus to monitor is recipient, and i have posted good clear pics of recipient.
In nsn case i was little unorthodox, wherein i placed him in left lateral position so that one doc extract the other bisects and the third implants ,thus graft will have minimum time to be outside scalp.
Photographer took regular standard pics when we place the patient in supine like other patients and focussed on back of the scalp.
He had already done one procedure in the same area which i came to know later or else i would have taken the partial grafts from the back of the scalp.
And please arashi, lets stop bashing anyone , i have stopped even after instigation,and focus on contributing to cure.
We all are hair to get our follicles back or else there are enough interesting things to do before we die(i hope you watch this show on Discovery network)

And by the way we do 150 transplants per month(ask nsn), even if we do 300 shortly by dec2013 hopefully, patients will be able to get appointment within a week.

On the one hand Dr Nigams, I love a lot of what you said and a lot of what you're saying makes sense. For example adding 'eyes' (or 'ears' in this case) to performing the in vivo extraction using ultrasound does seem like a very interesting idea. It does give me hope you're serious about all this.

On the other hand you keep failing miserably at proving your technique(s). Like Gc83uk noted, you did a nice job at circling NSN's donor after extraction. We would need a photo like that pre-op as well and if NSN would shoot his post-op pictures himself in that same way, it would be very easy to at least monitor donor regrowth. Monitoring a small section like that mole proves nothing cause that section is WAY to easy to cheat (if your intentions were bad). Same goes for doing any test on staff members. That might be interesting for your own research, but as proof to us it's quite useless.

[Arashi]

Do you have any proof?

Asking didi to produce proof is like asking a chimpanzee to explain Einstein's relativity theory: nothing will happen.

[gc83uk]

Next test I will instruct dr nigam to extract 50 3 hair grafts and we will monitor both areas.

Instruct? Give me a break. English clearly isn't your first language.

[didi]

I dont have any proof abt Woods but everyone knows he is one of the best when it comes to yield with small numbers of grafts.

We need to find someone who is willing to travel to india...
if he gets 40+ 3 hair grafts to grow in recipient+donor....im buying tickets to delhi

[Arashi]

Arashi,
Ask im,donor regen is not an issue with my invivo technique as the dermal papilla is intact with it's blood and nerve supply.
Thereal thing which you should focus to monitor is recipient, and i have posted good clear pics of recipient.
In nsn case i was little unorthodox, wherein i placed him in left lateral position so that one doc extract the other bisects and the third implants ,thus graft will have minimum time to be outside scalp.
Photographer took regular standard pics when we place the patient in supine like other patients and focussed on back of the scalp.
He had already done one procedure in the same area which i came to know later or else i would have taken the partial grafts from the back of the scalp.
And please arashi, lets stop bashing anyone , i have stopped even after instigation,and focus on contributing to cure.
We all are hair to get our follicles back or else there are enough interesting things to do before we die(i hope you watch this show on Discovery network)

And by the way we do 150 transplants per month(ask nsn), even if we do 300 shortly by dec2013 hopefully, patients will be able to get appointment within a week.

I'm not bashing you Dr Nigams. I'm just saying you haven't provided any proof at all. If you want us to take you seriously, then THAT is what you will have to do. All these words about ultrasound etc sound very interesting but it won't make me even consider to come to your clinic. Proof on the other hand will.

[Arashi]

Thats what i heard anyway

And that is all Didi needs to become a fanboy ...