Dr Cole-Dr Nigam to meet up!!

[yeahyeahyeah]

The solution is to take fin. This irrational fear of this very beneficial drug is ridiculous. You're against "messing with hormones"....well have fun going bald!

No messing with your hormones is not an "irrational fear", it is quite serious. It can cause hormonal imbalance.

God knows what the affects of lowering DHT over a long period of time through fin is doing to other parts of your body. My main concern is cognitively.

As much as I hate to say it, my overall health is much more important than my hair.

The worse thing about this shit is - I'm envious of those guys who don't have the MPB gene, whose bodies don't need to be tampered with like ours.

[KO1]

We have long term data on taking finasteride, we have 10 year studies, plus we've been prescribing finasteride for 20 years now. This attitude of "messing with hormones is wrong...but I can't explain why!" is dumb.

What "hormonal imbalance" does it cause and why is it harmful and tell me what percentage of people suffer these "harms"?

If you choose not to take fin, that's ok, but don't complain about how there's nothing you can do. You are choosing not to act, so live with your decision.

[yeahyeahyeah]

We have long term data on taking finasteride, we have 10 year studies, plus we've been prescribing finasteride for 20 years now. This attitude of "messing with hormones is wrong...but I can't explain why!" is dumb.

What "hormonal imbalance" does it cause and why is it harmful and tell me what percentage of people suffer these "harms"?

If you choose not to take fin, that's ok, but don't complain about how there's nothing you can do. You are choosing not to act, so live with your decision.

Are you a HT doctor btw?

You sound like one of those pro fin brigades.

There are plenty of guys out there who have had terrible side effects; it's all good saying this until something goes horrendously wrong. Than what? Replacement hormone therapy for the rest of your life if it persists?

Chrisis is one such poster on here, who hopped onto fin after being encouraged too and experienced side affects that he has struggled to recover from.

The point that I am trying to make, it is not a good enough solution. There should be a safer alternative by now that works.

Playing Russian Roulette with one's health is not the way forward.

[KO1]

I am unequivocally pro-finasteride.

Finasteride is an excellent solution for hair loss, and only a small number of people get sides from it, and mostly they resolve after quitting the drug. Ironically, a lot of the crying on the forums I hear is from guys who haven't actually tried the drug but are afraid of trying it. Go figure....are you in this group?

I'm afraid, just because your friend Chrisis got side effects does not mean the rest of the population does. We have these things called "double blind placebo controlled trials" that demonstrate its efficacy and safety. You should read up on those!

[Delphi]

Are you a HT doctor btw?

You sound like one of those pro fin brigades.

There are plenty of guys out there who have had terrible side effects; it's all good saying this until something goes horrendously wrong. Than what? Replacement hormone therapy for the rest of your life if it persists?

Chrisis is one such poster on here, who hopped onto fin after being encouraged too and experienced side affects that he has struggled to recover from.

The point that I am trying to make, it is not a good enough solution. There should be a safer alternative by now that works.

Playing Russian Roulette with one's health is not the way forward.

The risks associated with taking Propecia are completely overblown on the internet. It is hardly like playing Russian roulette. It's more like "winning" the lottery as far as the possibility of experiencing ongoing side effects. Yes, it sucks for people it happens to, but it's very rare and the odds are in the favor of not having these problems.

[KO1]

This is my favorite PropeciaHelp thread:

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=552

One guy is claiming finasteride gave him homosexual thoughts, a few guys agree with him saying fin made them feel "womanly" (LMAO). Then a few gay posters chime in that they now had urges to have sex with women. (Double LMAO).

So is fin a gay drug or a straight drug? I'm confused. (but not in that way )

[Pentarou]

I am unequivocally pro-finasteride.

Finasteride is an excellent solution for hair loss, and only a small number of people get sides from it, and mostly they resolve after quitting the drug. Ironically, a lot of the crying on the forums I hear is from guys who haven't actually tried the drug but are afraid of trying it. Go figure....are you in this group?

I'm afraid, just because your friend Chrisis got side effects does not mean the rest of the population does. We have these things called "double blind placebo controlled trials" that demonstrate its efficacy and safety. You should read up on those!

Quoted for truth! Honestly, I despair at all the unscientific scare-mongering that goes on here.

[yeahyeahyeah]

The risks associated with taking Propecia are completely overblown on the internet. It is hardly like playing Russian roulette. It's more like "winning" the lottery as far as the possibility of experiencing ongoing side effects. Yes, it sucks for people it happens to, but it's very rare and the odds are in the favor of not having these problems.

Yeah, I am sure Chrisis read exactly this from a forum member before taking the drug.

Now that he is in the shit's, the people who advocated it and ecouraged him to do it, are carrying the attitude, it's your problem, deal with it.

I'm sorry guys - but if the sides were minor, say the possibility of getting a headache, it is an ok drug. But the possibility of getting erectile dysfunction, penis shrinkage, depression, male tits are not to be taken lightly.

I refuse the believe the figure is 2%. More than 2% get sides.

[KO1]

The figure is closer to 5% actually.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Quoted for truth! Honestly, I despair at all the unscientific scare-mongering that goes on here.

It's not unscientific, its the truth.

There are people who are suffering from serious side effects.

Only because it works for you, does not make it is a safe drug. Because if you happen to be one of the unlucky one's, you are ****ed if the sides don't go away after you discontinue the drug.

Then what?

[KO1]

But what if you happen to be the typical responder who maintains his hair with no sides? Or the great responder who sees regrowth?

[yeahyeahyeah]

But what if you happen to be the typical responder who maintains his hair with no sides? Or the great responder who sees regrowth?

Here is Chrisis story.

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8650

Back story: started finasteride in January 2012, and began suffering sexual side effects at the 2 months mark. I quit quit cold turkey around the middle of March. Since then I've been struggling to get back to normal.

About a month ago, fab and Johny.track131 suggested I try Clarityn, or it's generic active ingredient, loratadine, which a trial and anecdotes suggested might restore healthy functionality somehow.

I tried that and enjoy a return to normality almost immediately, followed by spells of dysfunction again. I took my last tablet about a week ago and have had problems since, so I'm going back on loratadine to see what happens.

fab also suggested I try maca root, which a trial also indicated might be helpful. I have bought some of this today and gonna give this a try too. It's 1.5mg a tablet, but 3mg was considered to be the effective dose so I'm going to take two. I know taking both at the same time kinda messes up the science of figuring out what works, but **** it, I want this sorted.

Read it

Sure you wont know until you try the drug, but again, what I am advocating is for a safer alternative, that is effective, so balding men dont have too.

It sucks that we have to potentially risk it , like this man did.

[sausage]

Propecia didn't help me. So booooooooo from me.

[KO1]

Here is Chrisis story.

I repeat, what if you're the typical responder who doesn't suffer sides?

Why don't you read this?

https://www.twinshairloss.com

[KO1]

Furthermore, Chris's side effects are not particularly severe:

lower libido - this can happen in some
lower sensitivity what does that mean?
less powerful ejaculations ok....are we shooting flies here with our semen?
fewer random boners who cares?
less volume and watery consistency of semen this isn't a side effect, but a consequence of what fin is supposed to do-shrink prostate

These sides seem fairly moderate, and typical for those who get sides, which is a small portion of the population.