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  • Pentarou
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 482

    I know very little about Follica, but it sounds like their technique for regrowing hair is/was a lot more mundane than anything involving cutting-edge developments with growth factors, dermal papilla, stem cells, etc...

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    • Dasani
      Member
      • Jun 2011
      • 57

      Originally posted by Conpecia
      this is an insult to a lot of guys on this forum. myself included. i'd appreciate it if you just wouldn't speak on stuff you clearly know little about.
      No I agree with him. I've coming up on year 2 anniversary of starting Finasteride. It changed my life. I was thinning, now I don't feel like I'm thinning anymore. And I've had 0 side effects.

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      • KO1
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 805

        Originally posted by Pentarou
        I know very little about Follica, but it sounds like their technique for regrowing hair is/was a lot more mundane than anything involving cutting-edge developments with growth factors, dermal papilla, stem cells, etc...
        Indeed. Their basic idea is - wounding via dermabrasion/something else + topical. It is either very mundane and simplistic or very creative and elegant, depending on how effective it is.

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        • hellouser
          Senior Member
          • May 2012
          • 4419

          Does the wounding leave scars?

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          • FearTheLoss
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 1581

            Originally posted by hellouser
            Does the wounding leave scars?
            no it's not that intensive...it's like sandpapering your skin almost, except with a device that is more precise.

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            • KO1
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 805

              If anybody is interested in learning about Follica and has a lot of free time:
              The invention relates to intermittent lithium treatments, or a single pulse lithium treatment for modulating hair growth in human subjects. Uses of compositions containing compounds that liberate lithium ions are described, including adjuvants and devices for administration. The intermittent treatment protocol involves multiple courses of lithium treatment interrupted by lithium treatment "holidays." For the single pulse protocol, a dose of lithium is administered over a short period of time. The lithium treatment(s) can be used in combination with other treatments for the enhancement or inhibition of hair growth. Such combination treatments may involve mechanical or physical treatments that cause integumental perturbation (e.g. such as electrology (electrolysis), laser, intense pulsed light, dermabrasion, etc.); immune stimulation (e.g., such as adjuvants, antigens, cytokines, growth factors, etc. ); and/or chemical treatments (e.g., that cause integumental perturbation or that enhance or inhibit hair growth); and/or surgical treatments (e.g., hair transplant) for the enhancement or inhibition of hair growth. The combination treatment(s) may be administered concurrently with, or during the "holidays'" between, cycles of intermittent lithium treatments; or concurrently with, or before and/or after the pulse lithium treatment.

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              • Vox
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 298

                Originally posted by FearTheLoss
                no it's not that intensive...it's like sandpapering your skin almost, except with a device that is more precise.
                It looks like it would leave visible injury on bald scalps. Where this assumption about a sandpapering-like treatment comes from?

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                • Arashi
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 3888

                  Dr Nigams just stated on HS that 2 forum members arrived who will be getting 3d DP culture !! That should be very interesting. If he can repeat Jahoda's experiment on SCID mice, but this time on human beings, man that's going to be extremely interesting !!

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                  • john2399
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 521

                    Originally posted by Arashi
                    Dr Nigams just stated on HS that 2 forum members arrived who will be getting 3d DP culture !! That should be very interesting. If he can repeat Jahoda's experiment on SCID mice, but this time on human beings, man that's going to be extremely interesting !!
                    I want to see some amazing photos before getting interested in it.

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                    • Arashi
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 3888

                      Originally posted by john2399
                      I want to see some amazing photos before getting interested in it.
                      Why ? You didn't read Jahoda's last paper ? Or do you doubt Nigams can replicate Jahoda's work ?

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                      • Arashi
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 3888

                        From Jahoda's paper:

                        Hair Follicle (HF) neogenesis refers to the generation of an entirely new HF in recipient skin using HF dermal papilla (DP) cells. This has been extensively demonstrated in rodent skin , either using intact DP or using cultured DP cells. In contrast , HF neogenesis in human skin has not previously been achieved using human cells. We performed global transcriptional profiling of both intact and cultured Dp cells using Affymetrix U133 Plus 2.0 array , which revealed several pathways expressed in intact DP , which are capable of neogenesis , but absent in cultured cells, that lack the micro environmental and anatomical context of intact DP is to grow the cells in hanging drops, which results in the formation of DP spheroids. We then profiled DP spheroids for changes in gene expression and determined that the average correlation coefficient between the transcriptomes of intact DP and the cultured cells is 0.42 , whereas that between the intact DP 3D culture. To evaluate whether recapitulation of the DP signature equated to a restored inductive potential, we established a contextual human – to – human HF neogenesis assay that could be used to assess the inductive capacity of human DP cells in human skin. When we micro implanted DP spheroids into recombined foreskins placed onto the back of SCID mice, we observed marked HF neogensis by 6 weeks, showing for the first time that intact human DP can induce de novo human HFs. We conclude that the partial restoration of the transcriptional profile in human Dp cells, achieved simply by growing the cells in a 3d spherical microenvironment, is sufficient in some instances to restore the inductive capacity of Dp cell cultures and elicit human HF neogenesis.

                        And now Dr Nigams is about to try this on humans !! Really, if this doesn't get you interested, then what does ?

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                        • john2399
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 521

                          Originally posted by Arashi
                          From Jahoda's paper:

                          Hair Follicle (HF) neogenesis refers to the generation of an entirely new HF in recipient skin using HF dermal papilla (DP) cells. This has been extensively demonstrated in rodent skin , either using intact DP or using cultured DP cells. In contrast , HF neogenesis in human skin has not previously been achieved using human cells. We performed global transcriptional profiling of both intact and cultured Dp cells using Affymetrix U133 Plus 2.0 array , which revealed several pathways expressed in intact DP , which are capable of neogenesis , but absent in cultured cells, that lack the micro environmental and anatomical context of intact DP is to grow the cells in hanging drops, which results in the formation of DP spheroids. We then profiled DP spheroids for changes in gene expression and determined that the average correlation coefficient between the transcriptomes of intact DP and the cultured cells is 0.42 , whereas that between the intact DP 3D culture. To evaluate whether recapitulation of the DP signature equated to a restored inductive potential, we established a contextual human – to – human HF neogenesis assay that could be used to assess the inductive capacity of human DP cells in human skin. When we micro implanted DP spheroids into recombined foreskins placed onto the back of SCID mice, we observed marked HF neogensis by 6 weeks, showing for the first time that intact human DP can induce de novo human HFs. We conclude that the partial restoration of the transcriptional profile in human Dp cells, achieved simply by growing the cells in a 3d spherical microenvironment, is sufficient in some instances to restore the inductive capacity of Dp cell cultures and elicit human HF neogenesis.

                          And now Dr Nigams is about to try this on humans !! Really, if this doesn't get you interested, then what does ?
                          It seems exciting, i just want to see photos to back it up that is all.

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                          • Conpecia
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 904

                            Photographs of results get me interested. That's about it at this point.

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                            • Arashi
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 3888

                              Originally posted by john2399
                              It seems exciting, i just want to see photos to back it up that is all.
                              There's no photo's. This has never been tried on humans. Jahoda managed to create Human Hair follicles on Human skin, transplanted onto a SCID mouse. Now Dr Nigams is about to try it on humans. To me, that's interesting

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                              • DepressedByHairLoss
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 854

                                Originally posted by Arashi
                                Dr Nigams just stated on HS that 2 forum members arrived who will be getting 3d DP culture !! That should be very interesting. If he can repeat Jahoda's experiment on SCID mice, but this time on human beings, man that's going to be extremely interesting !!
                                God bless Dr. Nigam!! He seems like one of the few people who is looking to cure hair loss!!

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