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    I'm glad you feel that you're benefiting from the treatment already, although to be honest I doubt if your hair could actually look thicker at such an early stage. The reduction in hair fall is a good sign, though, and also very early.

    The side effects could possibly be entirely psychological and I'm glad you're aware that this might be the case. I'm by no means dismissive of the side effects related to this drug but it's genuinely possible to bring on side effects by thinking about them too much, or to imagine them, and this can happen to completely reasonable and intelligent people.

    If the drug is causing side effects at such a low and infrequent dose then this could mean that you're especially sensitive to it so I would definitely advise against increasing the dose.

    Good luck with it!
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    I beleive you can have such results in a short space.
    I experienced something similar.

    Im keen to follow your experience on fin.

    Monitor your shed levels for the next 3/4 weeks VERY carefully, and i would be greatful if you could report back. Also how oily your current scalp and then after the 3/4 weeks.

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    Gutted, I'm glad you think these fast results are possible. My results seem to be totally counter to everything I have read about typical Finasteride results.

    I'm really trying to avoid the Wishful Thinking trap. My goal is to gather as much truth about this drug as possible.

    Not to hammer a point I have already made, but my total halting of further hairloss on this drug cannot be my imagination. I am constantly running my hand through my hair to see if I can pick up loose hairs.....I am coming up clean. It is almost too good to be true. I did not expect this. Especially as my balding is primarily frontal.

    There is no question that since taking this drug I have stopped losing hair.

    If I can maintain what I have now- I will be very happy and this drug will have been a success for me.

    I am very wary about coming across as embellishing my results. I want to give as honest account of my experience as possible. If it goes downhill, I will be back to report immediately.

    Fingers crossed about sides effects. Something I have noticed is that if I start thinking about them, then they seem to manifest. There is definitely a dangerous placebo paranoia associated with this for me. In between my first and second dose, I was positive I was a candidate for negative side effects.
    Now- I am definitely more pragmatic. Definitely feel like there has been a change in my body, but it is becoming more elusive and I pretty sure there is a psychological component to it. If not, my body seems to be adjusting and taking it on board.

    What I can say is that my side effects are now mild enough to beg the question as to whether it is in my head or not.

    Definite physical symptoms are still the odd twinge and discomfort in my ball sack. Things do feel different down there and I am not prepared to readily dismiss this as psychological, but I am trying to keep level-headed about that. I am expecting that discomfort in my genitals will start to subside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loomings View Post
    Greetings all,

    This is my first post on this forum after months of lurking and doing my research.

    I decided to take the Propecia Plunge after weighing up a number of things:

    - Lack of hard scientific evidence on serious risks associated with taking this drug (all research seems to indicate a small subset of men having problems- Negative views on Propecia seem mostly anecdotal).

    - Erwig study flawed in my view. Biased sample from Propecia Help, research conducted via phone interviews.

    - Propecia has been on the market since 1997(?). That's a long time. I must say that conflicts of interest between medicine and profit are a concern of mine. When there is a lot of money to be made, things can be distorted (how does Mercke justify price difference between Proscar and Propecia? Blatant price gouging and it's insulting to the consumer). However, most arguments against Propecia seem to be ad hom/ancedotal at this stage. John Crisler does not do the cause against Propecia use any favours.

    - I've weighed up quality of life Risks vs Benefits. My balding was effecting my quality of life. I've been depressed about it, obsessively checking for signs of hairloss progression, constantly comparing my hairline to other guys, starting to resent the Full Head of Hair on display from other men (smug bastards!). This is no way to live. In the opinion of many, I'm a very good looking guy (i'd say a 9 out of 10) and I have plenty of reason to maintain this advantage in life. I'm currently in a well paid job, successful with women, easily make friends, am looked up to by many as a leader etc.
    However vain/arrogant this may sound, I think it is an important point to make in my decision to tackle my baldness.

    Despite the above points, there are enough people reporting side effects that I decided to be prudent and start on 0.25mgs of Propecia (non-generic) every Thursday and Sunday morning- Just to see what would happen, and expecting no results.

    I have taken 2 doses of 0.25mgs to date- and am due for my 3rd tomorrow morning.

    My baldness is more frontal- early stages. Thinning in front half of head, receding hairline. The crown is also getting more exposed. I am 25 years old. My hair is very dark brown and I have quite pale skin, so thinning is more visible with this combination of my natural pigments.

    I think it's been about 2 years now knowing that my baldness was progressing, but I'd been hoping it would slow down. There have also been elements of being in denial about my fate. My indicator to my recession is a small mole close to my hairline. My indicator to my thinning was feeling the front half of my head versus the back half. Noticeable difference. Front half feels thinner, whispier, can feel the scalp more easily.

    Now for the results of being a week in to 2X doses of 0.25 mg of Finasteride (taken Thursday morning and Sunday morning):

    Amazing effects a week in- I have stopped losing hair. Previously I would run my hands through the front portion of my head and come up with 4 or 5 loose hairs consistently. Worse was in the shower when shampooing- Often 10 to 15 hairs in my hand at any one time. The hairs were very thin and miniaturized. Worse still I was starting to get comments from girlfriend, friends, family about. I think that's when you know you're ****ed.

    A week into my treatment I can run my hands through the front of my hair and come up with 1 hair if I'm lucky. No only that, my hair feels/looks thicker and healthier. I am aware that this speed of efficacy is unusual and not typical for the majority of Finasteride users. Most users seem to count on results appearing 6-12 months into treatment.

    I am already maintainig and thickening at the front (also unusual as Finasteride is meant to be less effective in the frontal region). My girlfriend of 2 years agrees and thinks my hair looks visibly better (and she speaks her mind, had no problem telling me my hair previously looked like shit, was constantly making bald jokes).

    My endocrine system is clearly very sensitive to this drug.

    Now for the bad news. I am experiencing side effects. Not severe, but not mild either. Some are physical, some are psychological.

    First the physical:

    - My dick feels weird/ less sensitive. Slight twinges throughout the day around the knob. I'm getting those twinges in both my nuts too. Could be psychological (I've read a lot of stuff on testicle and penis atrophy on this drug- true or not, it's not a nice thing to read. I have a nice dick in terms of length and girth and I want to keep it that way. It is definitely one of my assets).

    - Erections are weaker. Could also be psychological. My erections are more transient than usual, however my erections have always been transient when I focus on them. I have suffered performance ED in the past with new partners when I worry about whether I can get hard or not.
    That being said, I am still masturbating every night (Girlfriend and I don't have sex that often these days- I'd lost a bit of sexual interest in her prior to taking this drug). Had a massive wank session last night, so I am inclined more towards thinking my mild ED is psychological. I am the type of guy who can psych myself out of erections easily.

    Now for the psychological:

    - General malaise, bit anxious, bit more depressed, bit less focused. I work as a recruitement consultant so changes in my mental faculties are easy to measure. I'm making more spelling errors in emails, bit more forgetful, bit less talkative and witty in the office, loss of energy.

    SIDE NOTE ABOUT MY WORKPLACE: several people in the office have asked if I've had a haircut. I haven't, my hair just looks better. How about that?

    Back to the side effects. I am naturally inclined to anxiety and depression. I can be moody from time to time, but I definitely feel less emotionally settled at the moment. It could be because I am very worried about the effect this drug might be having on other things aside my hair (androgens, penile function, prostate, neurosteroids). The jury still seems to be out on this stuff in the medical world.

    Because I have responded to Finasteride so quickly, I think it is safe to assume that I am very sensitive to this drug, and probably do not need to increase my dose.

    My original treatment plan was to eventually work my way up to 0.5mg every other day. I don't think that's necessary for the moment.

    What are your thoughts guys? I know there are a lot of very intelligent people on this forum and I would like the input of anyone who finds my unusal experience with Finasteride interesting.

    For the moment, I am undecided if the benefits outweigh the risks. I would say I am leaning towards continuing with this drug for the time being. I am due for my third dose of 0.25mg tomorrow.
    Yes, I was curious, if you experience some "side effects" on this dose. LOL

    Man, you are completely delusional. My advice: Don't ridicule yourself here.

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    I'm on 0.25 mg EOD from 4 month and it completely stop my hair loss so stop saying sh*t. It works, probably not for everyone, but it works.

    Fin reduce DHT for 48h at almost the same amount so no problem and 0.25mg is at least 50% as powerful as 1mg.

    And I have some sides too: testicular pain, breast sensibility and weight gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kissmyscalp View Post
    I'm on 0.25 mg EOD from 4 month and it completely stop my hair loss so stop saying sh*t. It works, probably not for everyone, but it works.

    Fin reduce DHT for 48h at almost the same amount so no problem and 0.25mg is at least 50% as powerful as 1mg.

    And I have some sides too: testicular pain, breast sensibility and weight gain.
    Weight gain was the side effect I got had to stop my ass hips stomach what sort of weight gain u get

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechamp View Post
    Weight gain was the side effect I got had to stop my ass hips stomach what sort of weight gain u get
    Yes, I look like Kim kardashian now. I plan to stop this crap. This is not a viable solution.

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    You cant have your cake and eat it too. If you take enough propecia to work then you can get sides I doubt there is anyway to dose your way around that. Less sides just its less effective its a game you really wont win you just settle on some compromise your comfortable with.
    The rest of this is pointless its different for everyone with no right or wrong answers because no one has any idea what lower levels of DHT during certain times or days really does. I dont take propecia but if I did and said I gained 2 lbs who really cares? Its not gonna happen for you the same way

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    Quote Originally Posted by kissmyscalp View Post
    Yes, I look like Kim kardashian now. I plan to stop this crap. This is not a viable solution.

    Nice, mmmm hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kissmyscalp View Post
    I'm on 0.25 mg EOD from 4 month and it completely stop my hair loss so stop saying sh*t. It works, probably not for everyone, but it works.

    Fin reduce DHT for 48h at almost the same amount so no problem and 0.25mg is at least 50% as powerful as 1mg.

    And I have some sides too: testicular pain, breast sensibility and weight gain.

    I'm sorry but you are wrong.

    You did not actually read the package insert for Finasteride?

    Pharmacokinetic data

    Bioavailability
    63%

    Metabolism
    Hepatic

    Half-life
    Elderly: 8 hours
    Adults: 6 hours


    Excretion
    Feces (57%) and urine (39%) as metabolites

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