GYM vs Hairloss

[jman91]

Ok, does anyone know...I mean KNOW what the likelyhood and/or evidence is there to support that working out, lifting weights specifically, will cause you to shed more hair than you otherwise would????

[jman91]

It raises test levels, so sure if you're susceptible it could POSSIBLY increase the rate you lose your hair.

But frankly it won't cause you to lose your hair, nor will it make any noticeable difference imo.
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well I am a diffuse NW2 (v likely destined for NW6) on fin so yeh I am susceptible and accept that my progression even with the fin will probably not finish until im a 6. So I want to know how much is pumping iron going to speed up my MBP while im on fin? is that even possible to answer?

[8868alex]

Hi

I have done a fair bit of research on this myself. In summary, as long as you adopt a healthy balanced diet and incoporate a varied training regime that also includes cardio workouts, then you should be ok.

Personally, I would avoid creatine or other supplements to augment your gains. Follow these rules and in the majority of cases, I would say that exercise is actually good for you. Bear in mind that serious bodybuilding, (use of extremely heavy weights and steroids) is a no no in regards to avoiding hairloss. Many bodybuilders take DHT blockers (including Finasteride) to avoid losing hair, even if their genetic disposition to shed hair isn't that strong. I think that speaks for itself.

Conventional wisdom indicates that the temporary "spike" in testosterone levels experienced post workout, should not cause an adverse effect on your hair situation (especially if you are on Propecia).

Of course, there are those that would disagree but I can certainly vouch for the validity of my points on a personal level as I am an exponent of these theories and found them to work in practice over several years.

Good luck with your training!

[youngin]

You will be ok on Fin. But it will probably hinder your gains in the gym.

[jman91]

Fin stops mpb or causes regrowth for over 90% of the people that take it. What makes you think your case won't be like that?

My hairloss is already a NW6 pattern but as it's diffuse my hair line is still AT NW2. Tbh this says to me that one day il; be NW6 but even though the fin should slow the progression for now, i personally don't think that fins strong enough for me over a longer time line. That being said i have lost almost no hair since going on it 18 months ago so there's some hope.

also highlander, im pretty sure 90% do not experience regrowth, i think 90% see some effect on their hair after taking it but this certainly does not mean regrowth.

[jman91]

You will be ok on Fin. But it will probably hinder your gains in the gym.

if anything fin creates more free testosterone in your body so this would be good for gains..

[dex89]

I rather have my hard earn muscle physic then to lose it and be weak and defenseless. Even though I'm still a N1.5 with minor thinning in my hairline. I notice more girls are into that, then skinny or fat guys. I do think creating is part of it. I've been taking that stuff for over 4 years, pretty much every time I work out, 2 scoops a day. NOW, I'm using less, half a scoop 4 times a week when I weight lift like a beast. I notice when using less creating my shedding wasn't has been when I started using N.0. explode or jack3d.

[win200]

I can't weigh in on finasteride's potential impact on strength training/gains, but from what I've read and from what I've been told by doctors, weight lifting isn't going to impact your hair loss. It does cause temporary testosterone spikes post-working, but those levels subside quickly and aren't sufficient to have an adverse impact on your hair. I asked one surgeon about creatine consumption, and he didn't think it was a problem as long as I stayed within the recommended dosage (5mg)--he actually was more concerned about the impact on my liver, which is a completely different issue. Another surgeon said, flatly, "creatine kills hair." So take your pick. Personally, I stopped creatine use, as well as my favorite pre-workout supplement, Jack3d. It's a sacrifice, because creatine really is the king of strength/size supplements, but I value my hair more. And hey, it's not like you can't be yoked without creatine--it's just a bit tougher, and makes diet more important.

My personal recommendation would be to keep up the weight training, ditch the creatine, and get onto a healthy diet of clean, whole foods.

[8868alex]

I can't weigh in on finasteride's potential impact on strength training/gains, but from what I've read and from what I've been told by doctors, weight lifting isn't going to impact your hair loss. It does cause temporary testosterone spikes post-working, but those levels subside quickly and aren't sufficient to have an adverse impact on your hair. I asked one surgeon about creatine consumption, and he didn't think it was a problem as long as I stayed within the recommended dosage (5mg)--he actually was more concerned about the impact on my liver, which is a completely different issue. Another surgeon said, flatly, "creatine kills hair." So take your pick. Personally, I stopped creatine use, as well as my favorite pre-workout supplement, Jack3d. It's a sacrifice, because creatine really is the king of strength/size supplements, but I value my hair more. And hey, it's not like you can't be yoked without creatine--it's just a bit tougher, and makes diet more important.

My personal recommendation would be to keep up the weight training, ditch the creatine, and get onto a healthy diet of clean, whole foods.

I agree - a healthy balanced diet can provide all the protein needs required!

[dex89]

[QUOTE=win200;79787
ditch the creatine/QUOTE]

easier said than done lol have you tried only using half a scoop during your work outs? I only use creating 4 times, it totals up to 2 scoops a week. I don't take it when I'm working out the legs, running, push ups, sit ups, and pull ups.

plus i use this

http://www.primordialperformance.com/store/liver-juice.html

so it won't harm my live has much, especially when I'm drinking alchy.

[win200]

[QUOTE=Highlander;79817]

It's not going to harm your liver. Creatine has been shown to increase DHT a lot, so I am not surprised that it's apparently bad for your hair. How bad, I don't know. Maybe not bad at all?

Shouldn't you be more consistent with creatine? Not taking it at random days? Is there a reason you don't use creatine for certain exercises? As far as I understand creatine builds up over time, and doesn't act like say Glutamine where you can receive a benefit from an isolated consumption of it.

Cycling is questionable, but they say it's good to practice in order to stop your body from "normalising" itself back to before you were supplementing. How true that is I don't know.

From the way he discussed it, it sounded like he was using creatine as a pre-workout supplement, like Jack3d or NO Explode. That's not how creatine works... it won't provide you with an energy or strength boost if taken in conjunction with a workout session.

The testing on creatine is really limited, and, in my opinion, not extensive enough to establish any impact on hair. We know what it can increase DHT, but there's not determined hair loss impact. So the question is really whether you want to take the risk; I miss creatine, but I can gain strength/size without it. My hair is more important. So I excised it from my regimen. Really, if you're concerned about hair loss, most workout supplements should be avoided; most of them center around testosterone production, and many of the ones that don't are just incredibly hard on your body. Take fish oil and some vitamins and you'll be in great shape.

[youngin]

Certain forms of creatine work faster than others. For instance Kre-Alkalyn doesn't require pre-loading. It works pretty damn fast. I also only take creatine before workouts. There's a reason its in so many pre-workouts.