Propecia Terror - My Terror - not a classic horror story

[jorbie]

What is your job?

Which drug company or PR firm do you work for?

Can you explain why Propecia carried two different labels in Europe and America for years? Why did the European drug agency put warnings on Propecia, and yet in America nothing was done for years? Could it be the drug company didn't want to lose sales in the US, their biggest market? Good thing we know that Merck hasn't lied before about one of their drugs to improve sales. Wait, who made Vioxx?

I'd also like to say people that do experience sides will massively overreact the sides, and literally blame EVERYTHING on the drug, try not to read upon the horror stories to much.

Also I think shrinkage can be from erection quality, when I'm rock hard I'm easily half an inch more than usual, if your erections aren't as hard anymore, it might be that than actual shrinkage.

[Ted]

Here is my story...I started Propecia 1 mg on doc's prescription around February 2010. I was the picture of health. 33 years old, fit, was learning Chinese, had great sex with my fiancee and a great job as a teacher at one of America's best high schools. My hair was thinning and I check the Propecia website out, said only 2% experience side effects and even those go away, so I figured, what the hell? Few problems, and chance to keep my hair. Seems like a win-win. Around a year later, a started having crazy panic attacks and had trouble sleeping. My doc didn't think the drug would be causing this, and so I stayed on it. A month or so later, I realized my penis had become numb. Its was a very pernicious symptom, but it freaked me out. I eventually stopped Propecia....and everything got better. For almost 2 months. Then my life went to hell....sexual sides, panic attacks, depression, insomnia. Fast forward.....my fiancee and I broke up, now, after living in my own condo near Wrigley Field in Chicago, I've had to move back in with my parents, I am not working, etc. I was a National Merit Scholar in high school, graduated magna cum laude with a chemistry/physics degree from a prestigious school...and now I can't even work. And my dick doesn't work.
This isnt fear mongering....this is the truth. PM....we can talk on the phone if you want, this drug is a poison. A poison.
Now....its inevitable that in a few days, some one will post saying that I have an agenda, blah blah blah. I ask you this....why would a person come on a website and trash those trying to get the truth out? Who is more likely to have an agenda? A person who goes to a website to warn others, or someone who says "Don't worry about that guy....it's just in his head."
For the drug company trolls on here.....explain this....in July 2012 I had my testosterone tested....and it was at a level that only 95 year old men have. Is that due to my "lack of positive energy" or the "placebo effect"? Or could it be a drug that screws with your hormones in a catastrophic way?

I'm in a similar situation although not as drastic. The problems starts (or gets much worse) for some after they stop. First you get better then you crash

[25 going on 65]

I don't understand how living with your parents can be a side effect of finasteride?

[jorbie]

Ted - any improvements in your symptoms? I've been on Clomid to get my T up - and its helped with the panic attacks....I am hopeful that next year I will have my shit together enough to start teaching again. I love that job....I just hope the insomnia and depression go away so I can keep doing it. How are you doing over time? What is your story? Can you share?

I'm in a similar situation although not as drastic. The problems starts (or gets much worse) for some after they stop. First you get better then you crash

[jorbie]

Yeah...I had to quit my job because of the panic attacks, chronic insomnia, and depression....not of which were present in the first 33 years of my life. So quit, and moved back home to try and pull things together. Its probably just in my head, huh?

I don't understand how living with your parents can be a side effect of finasteride?

[JDuff]

I just started the "big three" last week.

I have had several nightmares (three that I can recall) in which I discover my head is full of big red pimples. In the dreams, I very matter-of-factually go to a mirror and begin to pop these pimples. What emerges resemble small, live, caterpillar larvae, which I nonchalantly grab between two fingers and flick into the drain. At this point I usually wake up terrified even though I was seemingly unfazed in the dream.

The other variation revolves around two huge black eyes that are literally swollen shut (probably from all the talk regarding Minox sides - ie. "black eyes").


The internet is an awesome source of info. but I think it's easy to take everything out of proportion.

I've had no physical side effects from the Fin or Minox yet so I can only attribute the bad dreams to my obsessing over these negative internet reports.

[jorbie]

You just started these drugs, right?

Question.... what is your reason to be on this thread if a) you haven't taken the drugs? (less than a week....) b) You have no side effects

Why would a healthy guy (and presumably) happy person be on a negative thread trying to dispute my story?


My motivation is to prevent other men from making the same mistake I made in taking Propecia. What's yours? And why are you credible, while I'm not?

I just started the "big three" last week.

I have had several nightmares (three that I can recall) in which I discover my head is full of big red pimples. In the dreams, I very matter-of-factually go to a mirror and begin to pop these pimples. What emerges resemble small, live, caterpillar larvae, which I nonchalantly grab between two fingers and flick into the drain. At this point I usually wake up terrified even though I was seemingly unfazed in the dream.

The other variation revolves around two huge black eyes that are literally swollen shut (probably from all the talk regarding Minox sides - ie. "black eyes").


The internet is an awesome source of info. but I think it's easy to take everything out of proportion.

I've had no physical side effects from the Fin or Minox yet so I can only attribute the bad dreams to my obsessing over these negative internet reports.

[JDuff]

My motivation is to prevent other men from making the same mistake I made in taking Propecia. What's yours? And why are you credible, while I'm not?

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Relax dude, I'm not questioning anyone's credibility. I'm just sharing *my* negative experience (psychological vs. physical) thus far with these treatments.

I wasn't even responding to *you*. I just happened to chime in after your post. This is the nature of internet forum software (responses are presented in a linear format). If I was responding to you, I would have quoted your post. If you're new to this technology, I can understand any misunderstanding.

And yes, I think these dreams are due to a perhaps unhealthy anticipation of any physical side effects.

I think my experience is just as valid as anyone else's - esp. due to the theory that many Fin. side-effects are psychosomatic, with the internet serving as an amplifier.

[jorbie]

But you did question my credibilty.....in kind of a mocking way. And you slighty questioned my intelligence. But its cool....i just assumed since you just joined a few days ago and have only made a few posts that YOU didnt know how to quote me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Why are you on here if you have no sides? No sides, you just started.... but you are "freaking out"? Then why keep taking the drug? Or if the internet causes you to freak out, stay off the internet and forum with true horror stories while you take the drug.
Yet here you are on the forum telling us that you take these drugs for two days with no sides? Explain that logic??? Please....i want to understand....

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Relax dude, I'm not questioning anyone's credibility. I'm just sharing *my* negative experience (psychological vs. physical) thus far with these treatments.

I wasn't even responding to *you*. I just happened to chime in after your post. This is the nature of internet forum software (responses are presented in a linear format). If I was responding to you, I would have quoted your post. If you're new to this technology, I can understand any misunderstanding.

And yes, I think these dreams are due to a perhaps unhealthy anticipation of any physical side effects.

I think my experience is just as valid as anyone else's - esp. due to the theory that many Fin. side-effects are psychosomatic, with the internet serving as an amplifier.

[JDuff]

But you did question my credibilty.....in kind of a mocking way. And you slighty questioned my intelligence. But its cool....i just assumed since you just joined a few days ago and have only made a few posts that YOU didnt know how to quote me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I honestly didn't even read your post. I responded to the topic, not any particular person.

Why are you on here if you have no sides? No sides, you just started.... but you are "freaking out"? Then why keep taking the drug? Or if the internet causes you to freak out, stay off the internet and forum with true horror stories while you take the drug.
Yet here you are on the forum telling us that you take these drugs for two days with no sides? Explain that logic??? Please....i want to understand....

I didn't think this was strictly a side effect forum, and I don't think I'm freaking out. I identified the psychological issue, acknowledged it, and am moving on with the treatment. And I'm somewhat of a dream-junkie so it's just in my nature to share.

Sorry if I offended.