Man Steve R, you act like such an aggressive ass. What’s with all the hostility? Why cant you just conduct yourself in a civilized manner? You can still get your points across without being such an asshole. Believe me Joe and Spex know far more than anyone one online about any of this stuff, and I would take their word over Topcat’s or a newbie like you anyway. Topcat made all the wrong moves so he unfortunately got screwed so I can understand why he’s so bitter, but you need to chill with the bullshit bro! Yes some people had bad results with Acell, just like many people had bad results with beard hair and body hair transplants. I would, however venture to say that far more people have been harmed by experimental beard and body hair transplants than with Acell. So why don't you pull up your shirt, take a seat and chill.
Spexhair SMP into scar with Beauty Medical in Milan 19th July 2012
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SteveiR understand something. When you are perceived as a threat to someone’s revenue stream you become an asshole in their eyes. Every bad decision I have made in the past was with information given to me by those that worked in the industry so unfortunately I have had to learn the hard way. These guys are in it for the money just search the history on some of the forums and read their responses to patients who have complained about their result.
Don’t worry the iron and titanium oxides will not build up in your lymph nodes you will piss it out and you will in fact not get cancer their experts have told you so. After all they just found out they could make a few dollars from this procedure so they did all the necessary research for you.
Delphi is a stooge nothing more and it used to deter you from posting. Welcome to the wonderful world of hair transplantation.
If you do find yourself with cancer in a few years just sue the reps and Delphi.
And for those that don't know any better I am hardly bitter. Working on several personal projects, have a wonderful wife the best a man could ever hope for, and life is good. But I'm not simply going to walk away while all this crap continues to go on. These guys got big balls on the forums but that's about it.Comment
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SteveiR understand something. When you are perceived as a threat to someone’s revenue stream you become an asshole in their eyes. Every bad decision I have made in the past was with information given to me by those that worked in the industry so unfortunately I have had to learn the hard way. These guys are in it for the money just search the history on some of the forums and read their responses to patients who have complained about their result.
Don’t worry the iron and titanium oxides will not build up in your lymph nodes you will piss it out and you will in fact not get cancer their experts have told you so. After all they just found out they could make a few dollars from this procedure so they did all the necessary research for you.
Delphi is a stooge nothing more and it used to deter you from posting. Welcome to the wonderful world of hair transplantation.
If you do find yourself with cancer in a few years just sue the reps and Delphi.
And for those that don't know any better I am hardly bitter. Working on several personal projects, have a wonderful wife the best a man could ever hope for, and life is good. But I'm not simply going to walk away while all this crap continues to go on. These guys got big balls on the forums but that's about it.Comment
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@Delphi, I see no where where I act like an "aggressive ass", maybe I am an asshole when I hurt the profits of those looking to profit on others insecurities which I feel in uncivilized. Also, I don't know what you mean by "newbie" or "pull up my shirt" but if it has something to do with my manhood your mistaken as I am a veteran of multiple foreign wars as an Infantry paratrooper who knows a little about the world and your obviously a little naive, biased d to your own profits, or your just a little kid. My scar isn't bad at all in fact I can wear my hair at a 1 1/2 guard and it will be completely covered, even when wet. Yet I realize the mistake I made when I was young and was naive enough to be conned into something like this. I don't know your story and don't care, I talked to Spex on the phone and got the feeling he was dishonest to a degree as far as hairs being placed into scars but that SMP may be good one day, yet I will wait. Also, show me where beard hair into a scar has damaged someone, cause I haven't seen it. I know that ACELL has harmed some and that is too many for me to campaign that. Your argument has no logic, or reason and is more a personal attack on me an topcat than the actual issues which is why I was attacking both Jotonic and Spex and exposing them for the world to see. Also, "made the wrong decision", there is no decision to make besides maybe taking propecia or something like that because nothing is wrong with being bald, but that's okay you can think what you want and say or post what you want what is important is that the people decide and that read this forum see the different opinions out there.Comment
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This is how to fix a scar the right way http://www.************/hair-loss/bo...y-id-3872.html, one more pass and then guy should be set If his right side was a bit smaller I would say he is set right now, but then again that is only 10 months...Fraxel should also help this dude out also. The problem with seeing results from guys is that they do a session of FUE into the scar, it is good, they get one more and never show back up at the clinic to have those pics posted back on the internet, but it is fairly obvious that guys with successful first passes like this will have their problems resolved after another pass and perhaps fraxel if a 0 guard is necessary.Comment
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@Delphi, I see no where where I act like an "aggressive ass", maybe I am an asshole when I hurt the profits of those looking to profit on others insecurities which I feel in uncivilized. Also, I don't know what you mean by "newbie" or "pull up my shirt" but if it has something to do with my manhood your mistaken as I am a veteran of multiple foreign wars as an Infantry paratrooper who knows a little about the world and your obviously a little naive, biased d to your own profits, or your just a little kid. My scar isn't bad at all in fact I can wear my hair at a 1 1/2 guard and it will be completely covered, even when wet. Yet I realize the mistake I made when I was young and was naive enough to be conned into something like this. I don't know your story and don't care, I talked to Spex on the phone and got the feeling he was dishonest to a degree as far as hairs being placed into scars but that SMP may be good one day, yet I will wait. Also, show me where beard hair into a scar has damaged someone, cause I haven't seen it. I know that ACELL has harmed some and that is too many for me to campaign that. Your argument has no logic, or reason and is more a personal attack on me an topcat than the actual issues which is why I was attacking both Jotonic and Spex and exposing them for the world to see. Also, "made the wrong decision", there is no decision to make besides maybe taking propecia or something like that because nothing is wrong with being bald, but that's okay you can think what you want and say or post what you want what is important is that the people decide and that read this forum see the different opinions out there.Comment
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Having a different opinion is just that a different opinion sorry you don’t agree with it. I have been posting for 15 years now and prospective patients want all the information not just some of it which the industry is well known for. Prospective patients don’t come to the forums to discourage others from posting information that might be useful where they can use their own judgment that would be very odd.
The good majority should stay far away from the psychos that operate in this industry until they fully understand what is going on and how it operates.
I suggest just shaving your head in the mean time. Read the forums daily and watch these guys go to work.Comment
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@Delphi, I am aware that my posts may seem confrontational to someone who is trying to promote a certain product like Spex and Jotonic are I don't know what your angle is or if you have one. Also, if my post was harsh or hostile then what was yours towards me? I don't follow what you mean about topcat, he seems like a good dude to me that gets attacked like I get attacked by guys like Jotonic and Spex for questioning them and whether their methods work or not. Also I would hardly say it is confrontational when I agree with Spex and others that SMP is the best "tattoo" out there and Milena is one of the best and I commended Spex for his attempt to bring it to light (you would know this if you read my post closely and didn't cherry pick my "hostile" comments). Also, I don't think we should be concerned over particulars such as which guy seems hostile and which one seems "nice" or whatever what we should be worried about is facts. For instance Spex made a statement that beard hair or body hair into a scar could get ten percent yield, but never showed any evidence for it, I wonder why? Also, you said many have been hurt by beard hairs into scars, where is the evidence? I have not seen significant scarring under the chin area, so please show me. I'm not on here to make friends or play grab ass I am here to brainstorm the best solutions for myself and others to fix their scar issue, nothing more. Also I am not offended by for instance Kiwi's ridiculous deuce bag posts towards me lol and when he acted normal and contributed to the conversation I tried to share my knowledge and examples I saw that could best help him. Personally I think you, Spex and Jotonic all have very thin skin and think it is fortunate that those two have easy jobs in air conditioned rooms. That being said I hope Spex and Milena help out many with their scars and make a fortune as I believe Spex should get paid for it but also think he should be realistic and not make silly claims such as 10 percent into a scar which were to me obviously misleading in order for me to look harder at SMP.Comment
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I haven't had the chance to hash through this entire thread. But to try and get it back on track, I will say I have seen Spex's scar up close, in person, as well as two other Beauty Medical consumers. In addition, I had the procedure done as did my brother. Each case was unique, and imo, each had a very positive, natural result.
Are there other options for dealing with a scar? Most certainly. After having 5 HTs though, at this point I would opt for a 30-minute SMP session over more surgery. This approach is what would make the most sense for me.
Regarding the safety and permanence of this procedure, from what I understand the pigments Milena uses are non-toxic (living in NYC I am more concerned over the air I breath) and they are injected just .5mm in. She does not use blues or greens either.
I have been on these forums a long time, and have been involved in many online squabbles. I fully understand the emotion involved with hairloss, and I do get that people are burned all the time by inferior doctors and the-next-big-thing products/procedures (I was one of them).
That being said, Spex and Jotronic are employed by two of the top HT clinics in the world. They have a vast array of knowledge, and are what I would consider "good guys" of this industry. They would not just jump in willie nilly on the SMP bandwagon, and I'm sure the surgeons they rep would not want them to either. It's one of the only reasons I offered my own head up to Milena.
If there are any other questions I can help answer, I'll do my best, and I will continue to update with more pics of my own results. I must say that I am very excited about this SMP as it has freed me from using Dermatch and really makes my HT work complete.Comment
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I haven't had the chance to hash through this entire thread. But to try and get it back on track, I will say I have seen Spex's scar up close, in person, as well as two other Beauty Medical consumers. In addition, I had the procedure done as did my brother. Each case was unique, and imo, each had a very positive, natural result.
Are there other options for dealing with a scar? Most certainly. After having 5 HTs though, at this point I would opt for a 30-minute SMP session over more surgery. This approach is what would make the most sense for me.
Regarding the safety and permanence of this procedure, from what I understand the pigments Milena uses are non-toxic (living in NYC I am more concerned over the air I breath) and they are injected just .5mm in. She does not use blues or greens either.
I have been on these forums a long time, and have been involved in many online squabbles. I fully understand the emotion involved with hairloss, and I do get that people are burned all the time by inferior doctors and the-next-big-thing products/procedures (I was one of them).
That being said, Spex and Jotronic are employed by two of the top HT clinics in the world. They have a vast array of knowledge, and are what I would consider "good guys" of this industry. They would not just jump in willie nilly on the SMP bandwagon, and I'm sure the surgeons they rep would not want them to either. It's one of the only reasons I offered my own head up to Milena.
If there are any other questions I can help answer, I'll do my best, and I will continue to update with more pics of my own results. I must say that I am very excited about this SMP as it has freed me from using Dermatch and really makes my HT work complete.Comment
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Hairthere happy to hear it has worked out for you. Speaking with other patients who use concealers the topic of the ingredients and any effect it has on our health as always been a topic of concern. But we also realize it’s a choice between two evils. Injecting the same substance which would be these oxides under the skin doesn’t sit well with me as it is taking it one step further. This is just my own personal opinion I nor anyone else should be called asshole or dickhead because we don’t agree and judging by your own post I’m sure you would agree.Comment
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StevieR,
First, thank you for your service. My father was a paratrooper in the big war (served in the 82nd and the 101st) as a combat engineer then served in Korea and Vietnam. He served for 23 years till he retired as a Colonel. I always take time to thank anyone I find out to be in the service, or a veteran of the service, when possible. Btw, my handle is Jotronic with an R. Not Jotonic. I'm not a beverage, lol!
To begin with, I'd like to get one thing straight. You have not "exposed" me for anything, not in the least. I am already exposed through my own doing as I have posted close to 500 images of myself and the surgeries I've been through over the past ten years, many photos taken as I went through said surgeries, and I've put out about a dozen videos showing my procedures and results as well as for the purpose of answering specific questions. I was the first person on the web to do this and much of this was done before I even worked for Hasson & Wong and it was done in close to real time as I revealed my progress as it unfolded. I might even still have more photos online than anyone.
It is a fact that many have been helped by beard hair, many have been harmed by ACELL, how many? IDK, but the scars I have seen are grousome and I would never do it, but you acted like it never happens and your double talk on this issue is pathetic, we all know what topcat said rings of truth.
Also I never said more are hurt than helped, but IDK, it seems to me quite a few are hurt, then they have to pay for it again to get fixed and I think you and anyone else understood my meaning.
However, Spex could not show me one case of a scar getting 10 percent yield or less, and you cannot prove that topcat is wrong in his assessment of facts.
Parrots like you trick guys into an HT or act as if the industry does no wrong, I thought you were genuine until you posted that response to topcat, and I know you are gonna say "I was joking" but I don't believe you nor do I have any more need of you or Spex's opinion as you are just parrots to me.
Btw, you still have not answered my questions.
If you say you have "no dog in this fight" why support SPEX and any new thing in the industry at every corner against me and topcat?
To conclude, I've not been fighting you on anything here and I haven't really been disagreeing with anyone here either. I think it is really about YOU misunderstanding me. You said in an earlier post that you think I have thin skin but I don't think you can really point to any responses of mine that would support your opinion (or is it a fact, see what I did there? lol!). Anyway, good luck with that beard hair into your scar. I mean that. And good luck with your fraxel and anything else you are going to try. I really do hope you can reach your goals. I do have a question about the fraxel. Are you not afraid of the fraxel laser causing any damage to your existing hair or is this not the type of laser that can cause damage to hair? I'm not an expert on lasers and scars. I'm just an expert on lasers and how they DON'T cause hair to regrow
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@Jotronic, Well first off this back and forth you said this I said that is tiring and a waste of time. But I will explain, when you question someone ans say that isn't a fact when everyone knows it is a fact in many cases then it makes me and others question, joking or not. Also, I don't give opinions unless I have researched a topic a hell of a lot, so why would you say "well beard hair will stand out in my opinion" when you have never seen a scar as small as mine filled with beard hair? This makes me question your intentions, and ya I've seen your mug all over the internet but that has little to do with these posts, SMP, scar grafting, laser or anything else. It seems to me your extremely protective of Spex, the hair transplant industry, and any HT doc on these forums, that is my opinion from my observations, I'm blunt about it and that may be a flaw of mine and I may be wrong but nonetheless what I think. I think that is either naive, blind, or crooked as many have been screwed over by good docs, and again no one has showed me where beard hair has hurt and I don't care about anything but fixing my scars and others so I can care less about ACELL, I just know it hurts some by making there scar wider. Also it isn't double talk to say that many have been helped by beard and many have been hurt by ACELL, 1 is to many for ACELL and if there is a risk with beard I would like to see with evidence that is causes visual scarring under the chin, you again are the double talker as both of us knew what I meant. Also your last post I think you confused yourself and the readers which again works in the advantage to anyone wanting a strip or any other type of HT as you act as the scar is no big deal when in fact it is to many as you age and loose more hair and that is obvious to many of us, and no I won't classify many...figure it out. Maybe you don't have thin skin, that might just be Spex and maybe your legit and come across like a HT industry parrot on the forums IDK. I have done much research on fraxel and it doesn't hurt the surrounding hair, however, fractional CO2 lasers can as it is a more powerful laser and goes deeper. Why don't you know more about lasers? Isn't HT crap your job? Shouldn't you know this stuff like the back of your hand? This is another disturbing thing about you reps on here as first you haven't seen any small scar repairs with beard, you know little to nothing about lasers, and you are obviously not to in touch with the fact that this industry has hurt so many. This would be the equivilant of a dude not being able to do un-jam his weapon in the middle of a firefight. Many have told me (3 fraxel ladies at different clinics) that it can reduce the scar 25-35 percent and significantly change the color, I hope the color changes mostly but have seen excellent results on a few occasions and will proabably do 4 sessions within a few months a month apart.Comment
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StevieR,
Also, I don't give opinions unless I have researched a topic a hell of a lot, so why would you say "well beard hair will stand out in my opinion" when you have never seen a scar as small as mine filled with beard hair?
This makes me question your intentions
It seems to me your extremely protective of Spex, the hair transplant industry, and any HT doc on these forums, that is my opinion from my observations, I'm blunt about it and that may be a flaw of mine and I may be wrong but nonetheless what I think.
Also it isn't double talk to say that many have been helped by beard and many have been hurt by ACELL, 1 is to many for ACELL and if there is a risk with beard I would like to see with evidence that is causes visual scarring under the chin, you again are the double talker as both of us knew what I meant.
I have done much research on fraxel and it doesn't hurt the surrounding hair, however, fractional CO2 lasers can as it is a more powerful laser and goes deeper. Why don't you know more about lasers? Isn't HT crap your job? Shouldn't you know this stuff like the back of your hand?
This is another disturbing thing about you reps on here as first you haven't seen any small scar repairs with beard, you know little to nothing about lasers, and you are obviously not to in touch with the fact that this industry has hurt so many.
I'm starting to realize that you are not arguing or debating with me but rather you are arguing with yourself. You are saying I have said this and said that when in truth I have not said these things at all. Didn't I just say that you very well could be correct in how the HT field could have hurt more than it has helped? The difference is that I laid out the rationale for my opinion, you have done nothing of the sort.
What gets me about this discussion, StevieR, is that I have not really done or said anything that has been a 180 degree polar opposite of what you have done or said. You just keep putting words out there and saying I said these things.
Btw, you still have not answered my question, now being asked for the third time...
If you say you have "no dog in this fight" why support SPEX and any new thing in the industry at every corner against me and topcat?www.HassonandWong.com
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