The scalp inflammation/itchy/burning/tingling thread

[Dench57]

Well I know others opinion doesn't mean as much as how you feel yourself but really, from the pics I saw your hair looks fine. Keep trying other treatments before you go down the transplant route. What about RU+Neogenic like loads of guys on here use? Assume it doesn't have the harsh vehicle that Minox has you can't tolerate.

It's truly amazing how we are in the spot on Hairloss meds. Everyday I look at my self and ask myself how the hell did this happen.

Everyday I think how different my life could've turned out if I hadn't taken that pill. Like you I had amazing hair a year ago, non-aggressive MPB that I could've left for years, enjoying my 20s...should have been the best years of my life. I think my balding is permanently accelerated but there must be a way to get this inflammation under control. At the stage now where I'm thinking about Sulfasalazine....can't believe I got myself into this mess. Just taking more and more dangerous drugs to try and reverse the damage another drug has done. I wish it would resolve itself naturally but it never will.

[Ziggyz123]

Yeah, my hair looks "decent " in pictures but that's blow dried and what not. I was thinking of trying RU a while back, but I'm not into mixing all that together. I've heard of neogenic, but not to sure on what it is exactly.. Can you fill me in?
But yeah the propylene glycol doesn't agree with my scalp unfortunately. Honestly, if you think my hair looks good now, you should have seen it before. I'll post a picture later on from last summer..

I did read irishpride's story about finasteride hurting instead of helping and him going on RU. But I wouldn't be able to apply ru all over because my hair is pretty long. I'm scheduled for blood work tomorrow so I'll know better about what's going on when I get my results. But like you, it's probably just unregulated receptors. We'll see though.

I think replicel or setipiprant is our way out, but I hear nothing about seti and replicel will only be in Japan. Who knows if it will even work too.

Let me know how your visit to the derms go man. Thanks for the updates. If I figure anything out or get anywhere, I'll be back with an update.

[Dench57]

Hey Ziggy,

There is another group buy going for Seti atm, closing on 28/07. See this thread:

http://www.*****************/interact...RANT-GROUP-BUY

You should PM Highlander Reborn, he will forward you the details of joining it on the PHG.com website. $340 for like a 3-6 month supply I think, I'd definitely be doing it if I wasn't going travelling (hopefully still) in November, cos I think it takes about 3 months to arrive and I would miss the shipment. I'm still considering it though before the closing date.

I went to see my standard Derm today. She's not a hair specialist but she did a hair pull, and took some of my hair to examine under a microscope later. She said it was damaged, mentioned something about keratin, because it's really brittle/thin and weak when it wasn't just a few months ago. She's referred me to David Fenton in Harley Street:
http://www.drdavidfenton.com/

She said he's one of the best in the world for hair/scalp problems, with a specialist interest in hairloss, so I'm hopeful he can give me some answers. For £350 for 20 minute consultation I'd ****ing hope so . I have my consultation with him next Monday and will report back. Still waiting on my DHT levels from the blood test, I think they'll be high, I really hope not because there's nothing I can do about DHT.

I'm not too sure about Neogenic, I think its Stemoxydine, a fairly new growth stimulant similar to Minoxidil but less harsh I think. You'd have to Google the details but I see a lot of people use that as their RU vehicle.

Iirc Irishpride has been diagnosed with chronic TE, so he has other stuff going on besides MPB, so anything that works for him might not work for us.

The more I read about this scalp itch/pain the more I think/hope/pray it can be treated with anti-inflammatory approach, whether that is through diet, supplements, drugs whatever. I notice drinking alcohol (bad for people with chronic inflammation) makes my scalp pain worse the next day. There's not much I can do about my MPB, the approved medications don't work and I've tried just about every non-approved/alternative treatment, but I just hope to get this inflammation down to a level where I can get on with my life.

[Ziggyz123]

Hey dench,

Thanks for that group buy info. I'm not into using it topically though and I think it comes in a powder for that. For you and I, I think setipiprant will be the ticket because I never had any real loss of hair until I got inflammation and itching. I'm now taking micro doses of fin to see if I should be off of it.

Glad you are getting your situation looked at by some real professionals! That keratin thing, could it be follicular hyper keratosis? I thought I might have had that as well, but one seem told me he doesn't believe in it ? Lol

Irish prides situation, I think his chronic re was due to fin messing with his hormones. He got off it and regrew a lot of hair. But yeah, either way I can't truly pin point what happened with me or you.

Either way, once I get this inflammation to sort of stop, I'm getting a transplant to bring back my hairline/ density

[Dench57]

I haven't heard of follicular hyper keratosis before but briefly looking at it, it looks like it would have obvious physical signs that I don't have.

As for the Seti, the company that are making it are planning it as an oral. Guys are either planning to make a topical or just take the powder orally, in water or whatever. The safety profile is pretty good. I would be using it orally.

EDIT: Also a rather pointless but funny development nonetheless...my parents are going to visit some old family friends of ours next week they've known for years. I told my parents that Propecia is made by Merck. The guy, my dad's friend, just happened to be one of the directors of Merck in Europe, possibly the head honcho, for over 20 years. Wonder what he has to say about my experience with Propecia causing all this haha...

[jamesst11]

How bad was your guys itching while you were on fin? Was it localized or all over your scalp? I am over 4 months in and just get itching in my left hair line occassionally. I have noticeable thinned out there as well. At the same time, when thoroughly looking, I see hairs growing throughout my mid hair line and right hair line, but very few in my left. IDK what the f*ck is going on. This is indeed a weird drug.

[Ziggyz123]

Hey James, yeah unfortunately where my itching was is where I lost hair. I'm taking micro doses now to see if I can stop the itch and inflammation I got at 1.25mg. I still don't know if fin caused mine or minoxidil gave me a bad reaction and then stopping minoxidil made my hair die off and miniaturize. You're early on it right? 4 months or so? I think most give it 6 or so months to see where shedding and what not is and 1year for maximum. I honestly don't understand fin because of where I am. If you start to get sharp pains then definitely quit. I've read stories of people getting great results on dutasteride despite the itch associated with using it.

[jamesst11]

Why don't you try dutasteride? I sympathize with you right now, and what you're going through. Personally, I became skeptical as hell when I went through it. Dut just squashes DHT. I think if I show modest results and minimal sides on fin, I will try it.

[Ziggyz123]

Yeah I want to try dutasteride, but I need a prescription because I don't trust generics anymore. When my shed happened I was on dr. Reddys and read a hell of a lot about it causing loss. Who knows though lol. But yeah, I might go for duta depending on the next week. Like I said I'm micro dosing fin and my scalp pain is minimal at the moment. It's also expensive as hell here in the states which is a downer.

[burtandernie]

I guess its possible in some men inflammation from androgens triggers some immune response and that has something to do with the itch. Some men maybe that never happens with their immune system. With how complicated the immune system is I doubt they will ever figure that one out. The last hair conference had some presentation and it said the itch had no direct connection to MPB of course things always change over time so could not be true.
The issue is what can you really do about it? I dont know the answer there. Seeing different dermatologists might lead to an answer. If anyone could find one its them