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    Quote Originally Posted by unk View Post
    Glad to hear it's working out for you capitan. You've empowered yourself with taking that step, and I think you'll see the benefits.

    In answer to your question, It's been quite some time since I had my head in the research about it, but I think there is a nonresponder minority, about 10-14% something like that according to Merck, but I wouldn't quote me. I believe that this is due to finasteride inhibiting one form of DHT, whereas dutasteride presumably has a very small nonresponse rate as it inhibits all 3 forms I believe.
    If you scim this study and especially look at the two tables comparing finasteride and dutasterides inhibiting ability in all the known genotypes, you see how much more effective dutasteride is. You can even see 1 genotype that does not respond at all to fin (actually seems to worsen things) and a few other that only have a moderate response. Whereas with dut you don't have to worry about being one of those unlucky genotypes (although there is one genotype that responds better to fin but not by much)

    http://jme.endocrinology-journals.or.../34/3/617.long

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    Quote Originally Posted by 25 going on 65 View Post
    I understand your feelings on this, however dutasteride is more effective at treating MPB than finasteride for many men, purely because it suppresses more DHT. This is why some men can't maintain on fin, but maintain for years on dut.
    The best stand-alone PRP result I have ever seen was on a patient who had been taking Avodart (dutasteride) for 8 years. Avodart is a high-powered solution. Most men I have spoken with take small doses of this medication.

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    Interesting. Do you take dutasteride now Dan?

    I am quite sure my hair is going down hill, but dutasteride wouldn't take me back to anything good. I rely on dermmatch to fool most people into thinking I'm not balding, but without it there would be no doubt with this diffusion to a single person. An FUE consult revealed my follicles are just about too close to transplant hairs without transection, though that seems strange to me because I seem about 25% as dense as a full head of hair, but we all see it worse than it is perhaps. I have made backpacking plans this summer with several friends, not really sure how i'll manage the dermmatch/minoxidil thing effortlessly. Unless you take an hour to apply it, and are hidden from direct sunlight, it will be pretty obvious.

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    Ya I take dut although I didn't give fin long enough to see if it works

    Hmmm maybe you could give the shaved head a try while your backpacking?

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    "For what it's worth, I've been on fin nearly 2 years, and at various times thought my hair was looking worse. I worried fin was not working for me. But I stick with it and in the long term my hair looks better now than it has in years."

    Came on here just now for this reason. Been about a year on fin and minox, been worried lately that my hair is looking worse. But, this gives me motivation to stick with it and soldier on, that hopefully over time the trend will be upward. Thanks for the input.

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    Hey everyone!

    I decided to create an account and reply here because I, as apparently a number of others have, found this thread in a list of Google search results and this seems to be one of the first hair loss forum threads that I've found to be civil and actually full of some intelligent, measured conversation.

    I just wanted to note that I, too, have been taking finasteride for around a year (a bit closer to 3/4 of a year), am in my early twenties (I'm 21), and have not had any fantastic results. I've experienced hair loss pretty damn early (I sort of started noticing it right before turning 20) and decided to do something about it almost exactly a year ago by starting rogaine twice a day until around March of this year when I started taking .5 MG finasteride (by cutting 1 MG pills) a day and gradually tapered onto 1MG a day about 1-2 months later. I've also been using prescription strength keta (forgot the whole name) shampoo about once a week in addition to my regular "Pert Plus" thickening shampoo.

    The thing that has sort of bothered me and that I've also seen mentioned almost nowhere on any of these forums is that there is accompanying itching on my scalp where I have experienced shedding essentially throughout the time I have been on finasteride (lately it's sort of been at its worst with with at least 10-20 hairs being in my hands when I look at them after the initial rinse of my hair during my showers). It isn't like a violent itching, it's more like a little, single itch here and there at various spots on the top of my head where my hair is thinning. My theory has roughly been that every time I've had an itch, an accompanying hair has fallen out. I've read that when you have an itchy scalp and hair loss, you could have some sort of infection/fungal issue on your head but I've dismissed that as those issues apparently result in itching and hair loss all over your head (diffuse hair loss) and where my itching and hair thinning is is almost exclusively on the top of my head where hair typically thins on men with MPB.

    I'm just wondering why I haven't noticed itching really being mentioned on any forums I've seen and if any of you experience the same thing.

    Also I'm studying abroad in Sweden for my next semester of college so I hope that it won't be an issue getting my medications over there.

    I apologize for any disorganized thoughts and misspellings as I am writing this on my phone and I'm going on very little sleep at the moment haha.

    Good luck to you all and I hope to hear back from any of you who see this!

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    hi guys i understand you . Im a 22 yo french guys , ive been taking propecia for my temple recession , i was nw 1,5 at that time , with a slow recession . And now 15 month on the drug im almost nw 3 , my hairline is receding like crazy . I don't know what to do , maybe that was the veluu hair shed . I stick with it until the 2 year mark , even if im ****ing depressed. i still hope for a miracle

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    man the itch thing is pretty common when you have mbp . I Would stay away from keto shampoo which are too harsh and can cause more itch ( even if it reduce a little bit dht ) , i knew it because when i used it it was worst for my itch , my scalp just turned red . just use a gentle shampoo its better . And for the itch or seboreic dermatits the best solution is to go to the beach for a week , sea water is the best solution .

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    Speaking of depression, I'd like to mention how truly unfortunate it is that balding and hair loss has such a negative social and sexual stigma in society with very few exceptions. It's the one thing with men that can really hurt your level of attractiveness if you let it. It's not like weight where you can more or less control it because hair loss, at least at the moment, doesn't have any cure or universally successful treatment. For women one of the biggest factors with attractiveness is weight so even if there is a social stigma towards overweight women, at least they COULD more or less do something about it.

    This is also not to say that bald/balding men cannot be attractive as that has been proven to be incorrect by many men. It's just that it is inarguably more difficult to pull it off.

    The one thing I've sort of taken solace in is the fact that you truly are only as attractive as you see yourself and as you allow yourself to be. Sure being bald or balding may take some objective appearance points away from you, but if you don't let it bother yourself too much, it won't bother others either - hell, people may not even notice.

    Also, if it's any consolation for any of you who find this, my dermatologist and general physician have both made unsolicited comments about how lucky guys around my age are because there are so many treatments and potential cures in the works right now. My physical specifically said that he thinks stem cell treatments for hair loss will be widespread in the next 5-10 years. He of course cannot tell the future and I wouldn't put any money on anything happening but it has certainly helped me stay positive and has kept me looking on the bright side throughout this even with how depressing it may seem sometimes.

    There's more to life than just what's on your head. Your attitude largely determines how you'll experience and enjoy life. If you learn to let stuff go and instead focus on the good in the world, you'll be an ultimately happier person.

    I hope some of this will help any of you guys who may need it. I know I definitely need to remind myself of these things sometimes.

    Good luck, everyone!

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    Sorry for the necro bump. OP, how are things now? Are you still taking finasteride?

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