No shed on Minox

[yeahyeahyeah]

Well my understanding from one of the hair docs, Dr. Proctor, is there is a subtle difference between the mature hairline and regular mpb. It is hairloss and he said that more often than not it later becomes mpb. Go to google groups and search "mature hairline Dr. P" and you will see people talking about this same issue back in 2000-2002 era, if not before.

Yes a few men never lose their hair. Also others don't till later in life. My dad did not bald till after he turned 70.

There you go - I rest my point.

It IS MPB.

As for this a few men retain there juvenile hairline argument - I know at least 10 men who have still got there's. It's a lot more common then Tracy likes to believe.

My uncles and cousins. Uncles are in there 50s.

When did your dad initially start to lose his hair?

[Tracy C]

There you go - I rest my point.

It IS MPB.

No it isn't you fool. Pay attention!!!

As for this a few men retain there juvenile hairline argument - I know at least 10 men who have still got there's. It's a lot more common then Tracy likes to believe.

No it isn't. If you would open your eyes you could see that. Until you open your eyes and look for reality, you will remain a fool.

[yeahyeahyeah]

No it isn't you fool. Pay attention!!!





No it isn't. If you would open your eyes you could see that. Until you open your eyes and look for reality, you will remain a fool.

I just told you I have seen 10+ people.

Obviously I had to use my eyes.

Yes. There are many with mature hairlines, but they are generally those who are losing hair

Why do you always get so aggressive when someone contradicts your viewpoint?

[mlao]

I really can't understand why people are arguing about this. You can call it whatever you want (slow balding or a mature hairline) The bottom line is it happens. It doesn't mean that you will progress to NW6, 5, 4, 3, or whatever.
I just saw a documentary on George W. H. Bush (41) his hairline was receded when he was in the navy WWII and by the time he was president it was not much worse.
As a matter of fact when you see an older guy with a low juvenile hairline it looks odd. Tom Cruise still looks like a teenager which is odd for a fifty year old. On the other hand Tom Hanks looks normal for his age.

[yeahyeahyeah]

I really can't understand why people are arguing about this. You can call it whatever you want (slow balding or a mature hairline) The bottom line is it happens. It doesn't mean that you will progress to NW6, 5, 4, 3, or whatever.
I just saw a documentary on George W. H. Bush (41) his hairline was receded when he was in the navy WWII and by the time he was president it was not much worse.
As a matter of fact when you see an older guy with a low juvenile hairline it looks odd. Tom Cruise still looks like a teenager which is odd for a fifty year old. On the other hand Tom Hanks looks normal for his age.

George Bush Senior hair is shit.

I wouldn't want to have hair like that...he is pretty much sporting a comb over.

Tom Cruise looks good. At his age, he can still bang younger girls, unlike bush.

[mlao]

George Bush Senior hair is shit.

I wouldn't want to have hair like that...he is pretty much sporting a comb over.

Tom Cruise looks good. At his age, he can still bang younger girls, unlike bush.

He's 88 I'm just making an extreme point and I really doubt Tom Cruise even wants to bang young girls.
Some degree of hair loss happens to almost all men over time it doesn't mean they all progress to NW6. So unless you are prepared to go on meds or you developed a way to freeze time, it will happen to some degree.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but from the pics you've posted you have great hair. I bet if you asked 100 normal people, not obsessed narcissists, they would look at your pics and say"what hair loss"
A relative of mine is a hairstylist for a very upscale salon (125.00/cut)
She sees lots of guys with hair like yours and wouldn't even classify you as slightly balding. On the other hand she tells me that I can't go shorter than a certain length or mine will look terrible. Consider yourself blessed.

[yeahyeahyeah]

He's 88 I'm just making an extreme point and I really doubt Tom Cruise even wants to bang young girls.
Some degree of hair loss happens to almost all men over time it doesn't mean they all progress to NW6. So unless you are prepared to go on meds or you developed a way to freeze time, it will happen to some degree.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but from the pics you've posted you have great hair. I bet if you asked 100 normal people, not obsessed narcissists, they would look at your pics and say"what hair loss"
A relative of mine is a hairstylist for a very upscale salon (125.00/cut)
She sees lots of guys with hair like yours and wouldn't even classify you as slightly balding. On the other hand she tells me that I can't go shorter than a certain length or mine will look terrible. Consider yourself blessed.

No but the point is, Cruise will never ever have any problems with women, because he looks ****ing good. And because he knows that he looks great, he will be confident.



Better then this.

Has your relative seen my pics?

And more importantly do these guys maintain?

I am contemplating take fin - but the idea of taking that shit is depressing in itself. Whilst you have people like cruise not having to play with their hormones, I have to potentially do it. I REALLY wish I was not in this predicament.

Truth to be told , it is a nightmare styling my hair.

[mpb47]

There you go - I rest my point.

It IS MPB.

As for this a few men retain there juvenile hairline argument - I know at least 10 men who have still got there's. It's a lot more common then Tracy likes to believe.

My uncles and cousins. Uncles are in there 50s.

When did your dad initially start to lose his hair?

It is hair-loss/extremely mild balding but not mpb. There is a subtle difference.
It will most likely become MPB sooner or later. That is how it was explained to me.

I have read about 95% of white men get the hairline change. Yes I know some too but some went on to go bald.

Probably 69 because I was around my dad a lot at that time because he was getting sick and I was taking him to the Dr etc. It was like he went from no loss to suddenly having a small thin spot in the back right when he hit 70.

[yeahyeahyeah]

It is hair-loss/extremely mild balding but not mpb. There is a subtle difference.
It will most likely become MPB sooner or later. That is how it was explained to me.

I have read about 95% of white men get the hairline change. Yes I know some too but some went on to go bald.

Probably 69 because I was around my dad a lot at that time because he was getting sick and I was taking him to the Dr etc. It was like he went from no loss to suddenly having a small thin spot in the back right when he hit 70.

Well unlike me your dad never developed a mature hairline in his 20s,

His HL expressed itself later

[mpb47]

George Bush Senior hair is shit.

I wouldn't want to have hair like that...he is pretty much sporting a comb over.

Tom Cruise looks good. At his age, he can still bang younger girls, unlike bush.

He was just on TV a few days ago and looks pretty good hair wise (for his age).
He has that really slow balding and most of us will be lucky to have that much hair at his age.

[Tracy C]

Why do you always get so aggressive when someone contradicts your viewpoint?

If you think I am being aggressive, you do not know what aggressive is. I am very impatient with you however. Your inability to pay attention is very annoying and has worn my patience very thin. I have no patience left for you.

You are limiting your sample too much and since you don't pay attention I doubt you actually know what you are looking for. On top of all that, you are ignoring significant real world evidence. Like many others, your view of what is normal has been tainted by media. You look at actors and models and think that is what normal is... It isn't.

[mlao]

No but the point is, Cruise will never ever have any problems with women, because he looks ****ing good. And because he knows that he looks great, he will be confident.



Better then this.

Has your relative seen my pics?

And more importantly do these guys maintain?

I am contemplating take fin - but the idea of taking that shit is depressing in itself. Whilst you have people like cruise not having to play with their hormones, I have to potentially do it. I REALLY wish I was not in this predicament.

Truth to be told , it is a nightmare styling my hair.

I'm not about to show her pics from a hair loss forum for fear of other relatives finding out that I frequent one. They would take the piss out of me as you Brits say.

As for the other questions, No I never asked her if people with slight recession maintain. In my case however my hairline went back about 1/2" by the time I was 28 and then just stopped It continues to thin but the hairline has stayed put (I'm 58)
I also get how frustrating it is seeing guys like Tom Cruise never growing older but that's a combination of the genetic lottery and the best cosmetic surgery money can buy.
Concerning fin it's a tough decision. I'm sure there are a bunch of Hollywood stars using it but psychology it's tough on a younger guy. I didn't start using it until I was 45 but prior to that I was already taking 4-5 shots of insulin because i'm a type 1 diabetic so daily medication was routine to me but when I started taking the insulin at 32 I felt very vulnerable which is the way I think younger guys look at meds like fin.
When I started thinning my cousin told me to cut off 12" of hair to get a style that looked better and no one said to me "Hey you cut your hair because you're balding" all they said was they liked the change.
Your hair looks great and I honestly don't think you are anywhere near that stage and if you got a cut that was easier to style no one would think anything of it.
I hope some of this helps.

[Tracy C]

In my case however my hairline went back about 1/2" by the time I was 28 and then just stopped It continues to thin but the hairline has stayed put (I'm 58).

Without seeing your hairline, it sounds like you have a natural and normal adult male hair line - then years later MPB started. You see, they are two different things. Your description is a classic example to show that they are two different things. There is not likely anything a male can do to treat or prevent the adult male hair line from developing - but a male can prevent, treat and possibly reverse MPB.

I also get how frustrating it is seeing guys like Tom Cruise never growing older but that's a combination of the genetic lottery and the best cosmetic surgery money can buy.

There is also the very selective process actors go through. You can bet Tom's hair had a lot to do with why he was chosen in the first place. Thousands of normal people wanted to be in Tom's shoes - but Tom got the spot. Nobody sees those other thousands of men, they only see Tom. This same scenario is repeated over and over again in the media. The result is a skewed perception of reality for everyone else. As I said before, women have been victims of this inaccurate perception of what is normal for decades.

[WarLord]

Yes I used it every day like I should. I think you misunderstand what I was saying. Hairline recession is like a male secondary trait and it's just hard as hell to stop it.

Minox still works good for me in the back but it's still going to need some help from Fin. And oh I had great results from FIN, better than minox. I stopped because the sides got so bad.

But recently bought more and trying to get back on it slowly.

I know who the 5 year minox guy is. Thing is there was a study saying that and he is just parroting it. I was taught to question everything , so I try to prove what the study says for myself - as long as it's safe.

As far as fin goes, everyone is different but I have alway heard 10 years as a general rule. Some go much longer some less.

How long were you using minoxidil alone? Just wondering. In me, the stuff produced virtually no regrowth (which was not surprising, however, because regrowth on temples is very difficult), but it was very reliable. Sometimes I was using it only once every other day. But I returned to strict everyday's use, because it is much easier to keep hair than to regrow it. If I didn't read internet forums, it would never occur to me that it could stop working. LOL

I currently use 6% concentration and it is almost the maximum I can sustain. 15% minoxidil destroyed my hairline, and even on 10% minoxidil EOD my hairs were apparently overstimulated. I returned from 10% back to 5-6% in February this year, and I started to lose hair on all areas, where I had applied the 10% minoxidil. It is a frustrating experience, but I do hope that the lost hairs will regrow back.

[mpb47]

How long were you using minoxidil alone? Just wondering. In me, the stuff produced virtually no regrowth (which was not surprising, however, because regrowth on temples is very difficult), but it was very reliable. Sometimes I was using it only once every other day. But I returned to strict everyday's use, because it is much easier to keep hair than to regrow it. If I didn't read internet forums, it would never occur to me that it could stop working. LOL

I currently use 6% concentration and it is almost the maximum I can sustain. 15% minoxidil destroyed my hairline, and even on 10% minoxidil EOD my hairs were apparently overstimulated. I returned from 10% back to 5-6% in February this year, and I started to lose hair on all areas, where I had applied the 10% minoxidil. It is a frustrating experience, but I do hope that the lost hairs will regrow back.

~6 years pre fin about 6-7 years post fin. Got the hairline regrowth in the early years. Mostly around forehead and small amount in corners. It was not much but better than nothing.Adding Fin worked far better as I actually saw my hairline come forward. After dropping fin, hairline slowly went back over the past 6-7 years so trying lose dose of fin to see if I can stop it.

Good luck getting the hair back. I dropped minox for 3 months for health reasons late last year. I lost a lot in the back. It looks like I will get some but not all of it back. Another reason I am giving fin another shot....