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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahyeahyeah View Post
    Why do you always get so aggressive when someone contradicts your viewpoint?
    If you think I am being aggressive, you do not know what aggressive is. I am very impatient with you however. Your inability to pay attention is very annoying and has worn my patience very thin. I have no patience left for you.

    You are limiting your sample too much and since you don't pay attention I doubt you actually know what you are looking for. On top of all that, you are ignoring significant real world evidence. Like many others, your view of what is normal has been tainted by media. You look at actors and models and think that is what normal is... It isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahyeahyeah View Post
    No but the point is, Cruise will never ever have any problems with women, because he looks ****ing good. And because he knows that he looks great, he will be confident.



    Better then this.

    Has your relative seen my pics?

    And more importantly do these guys maintain?

    I am contemplating take fin - but the idea of taking that shit is depressing in itself. Whilst you have people like cruise not having to play with their hormones, I have to potentially do it. I REALLY wish I was not in this predicament.

    Truth to be told , it is a nightmare styling my hair.

    I'm not about to show her pics from a hair loss forum for fear of other relatives finding out that I frequent one. They would take the piss out of me as you Brits say.

    As for the other questions, No I never asked her if people with slight recession maintain. In my case however my hairline went back about 1/2" by the time I was 28 and then just stopped It continues to thin but the hairline has stayed put (I'm 58)
    I also get how frustrating it is seeing guys like Tom Cruise never growing older but that's a combination of the genetic lottery and the best cosmetic surgery money can buy.
    Concerning fin it's a tough decision. I'm sure there are a bunch of Hollywood stars using it but psychology it's tough on a younger guy. I didn't start using it until I was 45 but prior to that I was already taking 4-5 shots of insulin because i'm a type 1 diabetic so daily medication was routine to me but when I started taking the insulin at 32 I felt very vulnerable which is the way I think younger guys look at meds like fin.
    When I started thinning my cousin told me to cut off 12" of hair to get a style that looked better and no one said to me "Hey you cut your hair because you're balding" all they said was they liked the change.
    Your hair looks great and I honestly don't think you are anywhere near that stage and if you got a cut that was easier to style no one would think anything of it.
    I hope some of this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlao View Post
    In my case however my hairline went back about 1/2" by the time I was 28 and then just stopped It continues to thin but the hairline has stayed put (I'm 58).
    Without seeing your hairline, it sounds like you have a natural and normal adult male hair line - then years later MPB started. You see, they are two different things. Your description is a classic example to show that they are two different things. There is not likely anything a male can do to treat or prevent the adult male hair line from developing - but a male can prevent, treat and possibly reverse MPB.



    Quote Originally Posted by mlao View Post
    I also get how frustrating it is seeing guys like Tom Cruise never growing older but that's a combination of the genetic lottery and the best cosmetic surgery money can buy.
    There is also the very selective process actors go through. You can bet Tom's hair had a lot to do with why he was chosen in the first place. Thousands of normal people wanted to be in Tom's shoes - but Tom got the spot. Nobody sees those other thousands of men, they only see Tom. This same scenario is repeated over and over again in the media. The result is a skewed perception of reality for everyone else. As I said before, women have been victims of this inaccurate perception of what is normal for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpb47 View Post
    Yes I used it every day like I should. I think you misunderstand what I was saying. Hairline recession is like a male secondary trait and it's just hard as hell to stop it.

    Minox still works good for me in the back but it's still going to need some help from Fin. And oh I had great results from FIN, better than minox. I stopped because the sides got so bad.

    But recently bought more and trying to get back on it slowly.

    I know who the 5 year minox guy is. Thing is there was a study saying that and he is just parroting it. I was taught to question everything , so I try to prove what the study says for myself - as long as it's safe.

    As far as fin goes, everyone is different but I have alway heard 10 years as a general rule. Some go much longer some less.
    How long were you using minoxidil alone? Just wondering. In me, the stuff produced virtually no regrowth (which was not surprising, however, because regrowth on temples is very difficult), but it was very reliable. Sometimes I was using it only once every other day. But I returned to strict everyday's use, because it is much easier to keep hair than to regrow it. If I didn't read internet forums, it would never occur to me that it could stop working. LOL

    I currently use 6% concentration and it is almost the maximum I can sustain. 15% minoxidil destroyed my hairline, and even on 10% minoxidil EOD my hairs were apparently overstimulated. I returned from 10% back to 5-6% in February this year, and I started to lose hair on all areas, where I had applied the 10% minoxidil. It is a frustrating experience, but I do hope that the lost hairs will regrow back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarLord View Post
    How long were you using minoxidil alone? Just wondering. In me, the stuff produced virtually no regrowth (which was not surprising, however, because regrowth on temples is very difficult), but it was very reliable. Sometimes I was using it only once every other day. But I returned to strict everyday's use, because it is much easier to keep hair than to regrow it. If I didn't read internet forums, it would never occur to me that it could stop working. LOL

    I currently use 6% concentration and it is almost the maximum I can sustain. 15% minoxidil destroyed my hairline, and even on 10% minoxidil EOD my hairs were apparently overstimulated. I returned from 10% back to 5-6% in February this year, and I started to lose hair on all areas, where I had applied the 10% minoxidil. It is a frustrating experience, but I do hope that the lost hairs will regrow back.
    ~6 years pre fin about 6-7 years post fin. Got the hairline regrowth in the early years. Mostly around forehead and small amount in corners. It was not much but better than nothing.Adding Fin worked far better as I actually saw my hairline come forward. After dropping fin, hairline slowly went back over the past 6-7 years so trying lose dose of fin to see if I can stop it.

    Good luck getting the hair back. I dropped minox for 3 months for health reasons late last year. I lost a lot in the back. It looks like I will get some but not all of it back. Another reason I am giving fin another shot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy C View Post
    If you think I am being aggressive, you do not know what aggressive is. I am very impatient with you however. Your inability to pay attention is very annoying and has worn my patience very thin. I have no patience left for you.

    You are limiting your sample too much and since you don't pay attention I doubt you actually know what you are looking for. On top of all that, you are ignoring significant real world evidence. Like many others, your view of what is normal has been tainted by media. You look at actors and models and think that is what normal is... It isn't.
    No, I am quite popular thank you very much....

    And through that I know a shit load of guys with zero hairloss. I've just mentioned a few.

    Every guy that I know who has receeded, continues to bald, the rate that they bald is dependent on their genetics. That is why this mature hairline is just a myth, which when used incorrectly, the way you are using it does more harm then good. As a lot of guys as a result are mislead to believe that their hair will go back 1/2 an inch and stay like that for the rest of their lives.

    Which isnt the case, it is very slow male pattern baldness; thus a one way ticket never the less. So comparing it to puberty is stupid, because not every guy will be inflicted with MPB. Wereas every guy's balls will drop at the onset of puberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlao View Post
    I'm not about to show her pics from a hair loss forum for fear of other relatives finding out that I frequent one. They would take the piss out of me as you Brits say.

    As for the other questions, No I never asked her if people with slight recession maintain. In my case however my hairline went back about 1/2" by the time I was 28 and then just stopped It continues to thin but the hairline has stayed put (I'm 58)
    I also get how frustrating it is seeing guys like Tom Cruise never growing older but that's a combination of the genetic lottery and the best cosmetic surgery money can buy.
    Concerning fin it's a tough decision. I'm sure there are a bunch of Hollywood stars using it but psychology it's tough on a younger guy. I didn't start using it until I was 45 but prior to that I was already taking 4-5 shots of insulin because i'm a type 1 diabetic so daily medication was routine to me but when I started taking the insulin at 32 I felt very vulnerable which is the way I think younger guys look at meds like fin.
    When I started thinning my cousin told me to cut off 12" of hair to get a style that looked better and no one said to me "Hey you cut your hair because you're balding" all they said was they liked the change.
    Your hair looks great and I honestly don't think you are anywhere near that stage and if you got a cut that was easier to style no one would think anything of it.
    I hope some of this helps.
    Its great to hear that your hair went back (at a similar age to me) and they stayed steady for like 15 years.

    Was your recession similar to mine?

    I am hoping that mine holds out for that long too without meds - chances are if it does, then I can take advantage of histogen by the time I am 30. My brother being older then me by a year still has a thick main - similar recession, so signs are looking good.

    Yeah you are right, my actual hairloss is not bad, my hair is thick for example. And the hairdressers always compliment it. It is just the hairline, because it is a sharp triangular shape, I can't really style it without a quiff forming in the front (if I try to have bangs) - if pushed up, end up having a sharp fauxhawk.

    Thats why it bothers me.
    I go to the best stylist here in London to get my hair cut. So, and still its a pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahyeahyeah View Post
    Its great to hear that your hair went back (at a similar age to me) and they stayed steady for like 15 years.

    Was your recession similar to mine?

    I am hoping that mine holds out for that long too without meds - chances are if it does, then I can take advantage of histogen by the time I am 30. My brother being older then me by a year still has a thick main - similar recession, so signs are looking good.

    Yeah you are right, my actual hairloss is not bad, my hair is thick for example. And the hairdressers always compliment it. It is just the hairline, because it is a sharp triangular shape, I can't really style it without a quiff forming in the front (if I try to have bangs) - if pushed up, end up having a sharp fauxhawk.

    Thats why it bothers me.
    I go to the best stylist here in London to get my hair cut. So, and still its a pain.
    My recession was exactly like yours. When I was 26 (1980) I went to a doctor in NYC at the time who was a specialist in hair loss. He did a biopsy and said that it was MPB but then told me that it would probably stay the same for 10 to 15 years and he was spot on.
    I know everyone is different but maybe this will help you evaluate your situation better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlao View Post
    My recession was exactly like yours.
    How did you style your hair in your younger days, and did you use any meds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy C View Post
    Without seeing your hairline, it sounds like you have a natural and normal adult male hair line - then years later MPB started. You see, they are two different things. Your description is a classic example to show that they are two different things. There is not likely anything a male can do to treat or prevent the adult male hair line from developing - but a male can prevent, treat and possibly reverse MPB.
    No he had MPB all along, it just started then stopped for 2 decades.

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