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    Thanks for the links Tracy. I had already read them. In fact I've probably read too much over the years. I've even corresponded with Dr. Bernstien when I wanted to go off the 2% for another treatment years ago. I've read a a lot of material and received advice from Bernstein's colleague, Dr Rassmen who is one of the doctors who really doesn't see a lot of shedding from treatments in his practice. Though he says it can happen. I don't think he's lying. I've read so many doctors experiences with these meds I see no reason to believe the ones who say they don't experience much massive shedding are lying.
    I've read enough studies on lasers to doubt their true effectiveness. But that's me. Some docs believe and I would say to anyone it's worth a try.

    I've studied the hair cycle and totally understand the "theory" behind the shedding process. And any honest doctor will tell you its just a theory of how it works and the process that's going on. You're explanation correctly follows the current theory.
    I agree all these meds should be started slowly. Especially to avoid a synchronized shed. Because that synchronized shed could continue off an on as their cycle is reset for the entire time they use minoxidil and its effective.
    Based again on the current theory of how it works. (I don't think enough users are made aware of this)
    But that's not how these meds are prescribed or suggested by doctors.
    I saw one the the top Docs in LA (not Rassmen) and he kept telling me just to just get on the full dose of Propecia already. He had no concern about shedding. But I kept it slow.
    And yes I agree that its really important that people don't stop these drugs unless they have to for side effects, because they'll be sorry. Even if they don't think it's working there's a chance its slowing it down.. and when it comes to hair it's worth taking that chance it might be having some effect.
    I don't think that message is out there enough. And I was glad to see you promote it.

    We really don't disagree on much, except that switching brands and going from maintaining to a massive shed is that the previous treatment didn't work is a possible explanation but not necessarily the unreputable fact you present. There are enough post by people all over the internet who say they notice a shed every time they switch brands. Whether that's fact or perception I can't say.
    But again going from maintaining to a massive shed upon switching brands in a few days is not a common occurrence.
    The more you study anything the more you realize how much you still don't know.. Especially in medicine. And also how little doctors really don't know.

    Again thanks for the input, I've talked to a few specialists in the last week and got the best info I'm going to get. And that is no one knows.. that many factors could be involved. One Pharm offered to test the old brand for me, but is aware of the brand and believes it's probably ok.

    Thanks Again..

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    Frank

    A follow up to my post. I talked to McNEIL and they told me to discontinue the Foam, because this was not a normal reaction. On the other hand my Dermatologist said minox never causes permanent hair loss and continue with the Foam. Which after such a drastic shed I'm not sure. He also says he doesn't see much shedding with starting the drug, or any switching brands however he sees it when people stop the med. But I have to agree with Tracy, if you're starting with 5% it's hard to believe there's no shedding. I didn't "notice" a shed at 2%.

    I just want to say again to start all these meds slow. I wish I started Propecia before minoxidil, but once you start minox you can't stop. Personally I believe Propecia is the best first line treatment. But read all you can about it before you decide. Best to see a doctor like a HT doc who prescribes the drug a lot and more familiar with it.
    Unfortunately I was scared off trying it for years from some posts I read. Only to find after I educated myself further side effects actually aren't that common and reversible. Took me a long time to accept that. (Though some users disagree) I've never had any and wish I started it sooner and never started minoxidil.

    Good Luck

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    Tracy

    Like to get your thoughts. You seem to have experience with both the foam and the liquid. What do you think about slowing down on the foam after starting? I quit after 10 days after such a terrible shed and went back to what I had left of the the liquid I had been using. Damn If I'm not still shedding from the foam. I was thinking of going back on the foam to once every other day for a while using the liquid in between.. (even though I used it twice a day for 10 days).. then get to once a day.. and eventually twice a day over a stretched period of time. On the possibility it would cut down on shedding so much at once giving other hair a chance to start growing if indeed the shed meant the med was working.

    The shed was so drastic.. from a full head of hair with slight diffuse thinning that only I could recognize because my hair is so thick to visible thinning in days is still a shock. And so many posts of guys who claim they lost with the foam and never grew it back makes it difficult to think logically.

    Thanks

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    Hi Frank,

    It is difficult to think logically. One thing you need to keep in mind is that you are far more likely to read negative information about anything and everything than you are to read positive information about those very same things. The reason is because those who are happy with whatever it is generally don't complain about it. So you need to keep reminding yourself that those complaints you are reading online are most likely not a representation of the majority who use the product.

    I've been there and done that. I chose to ride out the shedding and continue using the medicine. The hair that shed out did grow back and when it grew back it was thicker than it was before. I am an advocate for tapering into changes rather than making sudden changes. I use both men's Rogaine foam and generic women's liquid Minoxidil. I use the foam in the morning and the liquid in the evening. Though I did taper into that routine over time, if I had known then what I know now, I would have done so more slowly than I did.

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    Hi Tracy,

    Thanks for your reply. Yeah, I've always referred to the internet as the misinformation highway. And that's in general. When it comes to medicine it's almost all anecdotal.. no definitive cause and effect. I understand that better than anyone.. until I look in the mirror, then reason takes a back seat. 3 weeks ago I was looking at my hairline thinking how lucky I've been to keep all this hair and then a week later wondering where it all went. Quite the shock.. Then have the company tell me any shedding over 2 weeks is a bad response and to quit the product. More confusion.

    Sounds like you went through a bad shed. That had to be twice as tough for a woman. I don't know how a woman can even use the foam. I tried in the past but had so much hair it just got in my hair not the scalp.. had to be really tough with long hair. I unfortunately figured out how to keep the foam from melting and then getting it into my scalp. Figured it out too well apparently.
    Were you already on the 2% for a while before adding the foam? Or did you start both about the same time? Did your shedding start after just a few days also and then accelerate?

    I'm glad to hear it came back better for you. Had to be a rough 6 to 12 months. Main concern about starting the foam again is that it'll continue to shed the hairline which most men don't grow back even if the minoxidil works elsewhere.
    Ironically I don't see a lot of shed hairs in the sink or in my fingers. Just see less on my head. Just seems to disappear.
    Thanks again for your reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander View Post
    Yea, do what limp dick said.
    I don't often wish harm on people, but I can't wait until propecia lays down some dickbreak on you. Be sure to let us know when this happens, so I can relish in your impending impotence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clandestine View Post
    I don't often wish harm on people, but I can't wait until propecia lays down some dickbreak on you. Be sure to let us know when this happens, so I can relish in your impending impotence.
    Thanks clandestine. People who attack online are both cowardly and probably in a pretty bad place, mentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Widowmaker View Post
    I bet his doctor covers that.
    Doctors cover the legalities, sure, but I was under the impression the forum was upheld to a responsible, moral standard; my apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    Sounds like you went through a bad shed.
    I actually went through three different sheds during those first two years of treating my hair loss. I rode it out each time and each time my hair grew back a little thicker than it was before.

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    Tracy

    I talked to a female friend of mine who is also having hair loss. She hasn't tried anything yet. You said you started slow, but if you did it again would start even slower. Knowing what you know now how would you start treatment. She's depressed enough about it, I'd hate to see her have a massive shed.

    Where would you say you are today compared to before you started treatment. More thicker hair that 4 years ago.. just maintained... still losing and slowed it down? Did you regrow hair at the hairline?

    Thanks

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