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    Thanks for clarifying Ejj, i can see why you would think that and want to pinpoint exactly what was said by me in order to make me accountable i suppose. I was simply relaying the chain of events to date as it happened and how it happened.

    Truth is its all very much out of our hands however we did our very best and went out our way to great extent to try help and make this happen. We didnt ask to be part of it, we were asked. As it transpires after everything they might well not be using any of our footage anyway for various reasons so that will certainly make some happy and apologies for any confusion created on my behalf even though i tried my best to explain it all as it happened. I enjoyed the experience and simply wanted to share it.
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    Jotronic and Spex were both victims of the industry and definitely embarrassed and ashamed.

    Testimony to them both for turning such negative experiences into such positive ones for us all to see, inspire and learn from. They both now help and educate many.

    These repair patients both publicly speak on radio, TV, Films, even written books and have shown their faces to the world in order to help get heard regardless of the fact they work in the industry.

    These two have helped countless guys including myself and possibly tens of thousands between them very honourably and ethically.

    Have their actions and time served helping so many worked in the dark underground industries favour?

    Have these guys not tried to get heard and make a positive change in the industry and help educate patients?

    Respect should be given to these guys as much as it pains you to do so, who actually have created change, so much change.

    I always find it interesting that the posters with the loudest voices and the cutting and snippy remarks don't show their faces and only use their keyboards to hide behind.

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    I was asked to clarify my post as to why i thought the thread was somewhat contradictory , so thats what i did , the only person responsible or accountable for the film, as this is what this thread is about, is the director .

    Joetronic makes some good points about the positive effects of film and documentary, however unfortunatly, there is a negative side also ,

    If you were to look at the film natural born killers and the amount of copy cat crimes this produced it is extremely disturbing , my point is that someones decision ` may ` be influenced by what they see , take a look at the flak the fashion industry is currently recieving due to the amount of young girls watching television programmes like ` make me a supermodel ` ` americas next top model ` a models death that of 24 year old Carolina Reston who weighed just 88 pounds was due to an eating disorder , due to the death of a Model in Madrid last year the city banned fashion designers using underweight models, some posters across various forums have stated they feel ` suicidal `...... , apparantly according to psychologists emotional stress is a trigger , and i believe based upon my own experience of hairloss , this statement to be correct .

    So if i see a trailer of a guy with a plastic wrap around his bald head i can only assume that this is yet another piss take out of hair loss sufferers ,

    Will the film help or not ? we have to wait and see

    Has Spex`s or Joetronic`s integrity and proffesionalism been called into question .... No ... not once , has the fact that they both have helped many patients ( myself included ) been questioned ... no ,
    this is an open thread, open to all opinions

    I am suprised at the defensive stance taken by some , this is totally unnecessary and nothing more than an attempt to either discredit, or portray either an individual, or a group, of using a pattern of poor, or antagonistic behaviour, or accusatory posting style, across this thread and others , this simply does not exist

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    I don't think anyone needs to be overly defended or berated any further. It's a great little piece and many of us (like me) would be interested in seeing the final product. Hair loss and transplantation are still considered a niche area in terms of the mainstream perspective so small modest goals in terms of exposure should be the aim. I highly doubt any harm will come of this!

    It could be far worse guys... We could have Michael Moore on the case banging his drum!!!... At least Morgan Spurlock hasn't reached his levels of self grandeur.!

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    Ejj,

    Instead of quoting Spex or myself any further I think it is a good idea to settle what this film is about by quoting the film's homepage, www.mansomethemovie.com. The description below mentions nothing about hair restoration and plenty about men and grooming.

    From America’s greatest beardsman, to Morgan Spurlock’s own mustache, Executive Producers Will Arnett, Jason Bateman and Ben Silverman bring us a hilarious look at men’s identity in the 21st century. Models, actors, experts and comedians weigh in on what it is to be a man in a world where the definition of masculinity has become as diverse as a hipster’s facial hair in Williamsburg. The hilarious follicles of men’s idiosyncratic grooming habits are thoroughly combed over as men finally take a long hard look in the mirror. Coming soon.
    Topcat,

    You're moving the goal posts regarding your original question. You asked if a movie can change an industry, I showed you numerous examples of such occurrences and corrected you about the "Super Size Me" documentary and the impact it had on McDonald's. Done and done.


    Regardless, I think that any exposure of good work is good for the field and if even one person's awareness is raised because of it then that is a win and I find it difficult to understand how anyone can even question this.
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    Everything I have written is pertinent to the thread. You mentioned Puig I don’t have a problem with that and I don’t consider that moving the goal post. I rarely mention this doctor and in fact have rarely mentioned his name over the last 14 years. He is of no concern to me as his history speaks for itself. I’m more concerned with what I see going on today.

    I also rarely mention Thomas/Elliott who unknowingly to me actually used the janitor to place my grafts, The recommended list on this very site has a doctor that partnered with Elliott after this fact was well known as an investigative news report was done on the clinic. But the doctor on this list right here still partnered up with Elliott for a short time. This is extremely poor judgment in my opinion and part of what is wrong with this industry not just unskilled doctors but doctors with very poor judgment.

    These doctors continue to have poor judgment as they will lower themselves for a few more dollars worth of business and actually have a person with poor judgment judge them. By this I mean the guy with the other list that thought posting his homemade porn on the internet was a good idea. I’m sure he represents the doctors on that list very well.

    I have learned to have a higher standard in everything from this whole 25 year experience. You have no answer to this because there is in fact none. It’s only when those in the industry have enough balls to say we are not going to do business like this that we will see change and not some movie.

    I would also add that I really don't have feelings or hate of anger towards any of those past doctors. In fact if they apologized I would tell them I understood. Sometimes the money just starts rolling in and people lose their way. It could happen to anyone as it often is a human weakness.

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    I agree with ejj that there is a tendancy to become defensive on this forum, particularly from senior well respected members. No one brought into question the integrity of Joe or Spex. But if you are a member of an industry that are viewed as a joke, irrespective if you yourself have been butchered in the past then you should be able to accept critique. Progress can only be made if we debate, question and not accept anything on face vaue. Since Spex and Joe represents an industry what they write should be open to critique. Calling people haters or detractors because they question the dominant view is unacceptable.

    Super size received massive publicity but people still eat McDonalds. The question is not if a docu can bring about change, can it bring about significant change?

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    I think what many that work in the industry fail to see is what the patient and others see. In all honesty I could care less how much money anyone in this industry makes, more power to them. But instead of constantly dispelling what we have to say maybe take a moment and listen. Take a look at how we perceive things after all we are the patients I think that would be something important to know.

    When I hear somebody even consider that a possible positive portrayal of a single clinic in a movie will somehow change the industry it is completely laughable from the patient’s perspective. Can you honestly believe what you are saying here? You actually lose credibiltiy in my opinion when you make this statement.

    I brought up the point about the doctors that advertise on that other list to make a point. If you had a close family member that was in desperate need of brain surgery maybe your child. They needed the absolute best as the surgery was risky and they could die. Would you choose a name off a list of some guy that puts his homemade porn on the Internet? You would probably think to yourself is this guy crazy, he doesn’t actually expect me to think that these doctors on this list could possibly be of any value. They have low standards to begin with by doing business with the guy who put the list together. Or is it that we are ht patients so screw them it’s good enough. We can just work off their desperation and hope that are making the right decision. Well let me tell you from my perspective it is not good enough nor should it be good enough for anyone else.

    Do those in the industry even get any of this? Do you understand why we laugh when you think a movie will change this industry? You can’t even help change yourself how is a movie going to help?

    This is not an attack, I’m trying to get those in the industry to see what we see. Some of you have become very fat and have lost your hunger for doing the right thing so take a close look at yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Losing_It View Post
    I agree with ejj that there is a tendancy to become defensive on this forum, particularly from senior well respected members. No one brought into question the integrity of Joe or Spex. But if you are a member of an industry that are viewed as a joke, irrespective if you yourself have been butchered in the past then you should be able to accept critique. Progress can only be made if we debate, question and not accept anything on face vaue. Since Spex and Joe represents an industry what they write should be open to critique. Calling people haters or detractors because they question the dominant view is unacceptable.

    Super size received massive publicity but people still eat McDonalds. The question is not if a docu can bring about change, can it bring about significant change?
    What are you even talking about? I never called anyone a hater and I certainly was not or am not defensive about anything not to mention I was at no point offended by anything said thus far. I'm not even sure what this thread is about anymore. It seems to have morphed from an unusual but simple question into a rant with no real point.

    Topcat,

    But instead of constantly dispelling what we have to say maybe take a moment and listen.
    Who's dispelling what? You asked a question, I answered it (quite well I might add) and then you moved the goal posts back. You said that the films I mentioned were "negative" as if that makes a difference. Then you start a rant about other "lists" and whatnot that have nothing to do with the original post and to be honest you're kind of losing me with the bouncing around and lack of focus on any one thing in particular. Keep your eye on the ball, man, keep your eye on the ball.

    Some of you have become very fat and have lost your hunger for doing the right thing so take a close look at yourself.
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    That sounds like solid advice. I'll try not to ask too many questions next time and "keep my eye on the ball man"

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