Can a movie change an industry?

[topcat]

Everything I have written is pertinent to the thread. You mentioned Puig I don’t have a problem with that and I don’t consider that moving the goal post. I rarely mention this doctor and in fact have rarely mentioned his name over the last 14 years. He is of no concern to me as his history speaks for itself. I’m more concerned with what I see going on today.

I also rarely mention Thomas/Elliott who unknowingly to me actually used the janitor to place my grafts, The recommended list on this very site has a doctor that partnered with Elliott after this fact was well known as an investigative news report was done on the clinic. But the doctor on this list right here still partnered up with Elliott for a short time. This is extremely poor judgment in my opinion and part of what is wrong with this industry not just unskilled doctors but doctors with very poor judgment.

These doctors continue to have poor judgment as they will lower themselves for a few more dollars worth of business and actually have a person with poor judgment judge them. By this I mean the guy with the other list that thought posting his homemade porn on the internet was a good idea. I’m sure he represents the doctors on that list very well.

I have learned to have a higher standard in everything from this whole 25 year experience. You have no answer to this because there is in fact none. It’s only when those in the industry have enough balls to say we are not going to do business like this that we will see change and not some movie.

I would also add that I really don't have feelings or hate of anger towards any of those past doctors. In fact if they apologized I would tell them I understood. Sometimes the money just starts rolling in and people lose their way. It could happen to anyone as it often is a human weakness.

[Losing_It]

I agree with ejj that there is a tendancy to become defensive on this forum, particularly from senior well respected members. No one brought into question the integrity of Joe or Spex. But if you are a member of an industry that are viewed as a joke, irrespective if you yourself have been butchered in the past then you should be able to accept critique. Progress can only be made if we debate, question and not accept anything on face vaue. Since Spex and Joe represents an industry what they write should be open to critique. Calling people haters or detractors because they question the dominant view is unacceptable.

Super size received massive publicity but people still eat McDonalds. The question is not if a docu can bring about change, can it bring about significant change?

[topcat]

I think what many that work in the industry fail to see is what the patient and others see. In all honesty I could care less how much money anyone in this industry makes, more power to them. But instead of constantly dispelling what we have to say maybe take a moment and listen. Take a look at how we perceive things after all we are the patients I think that would be something important to know.

When I hear somebody even consider that a possible positive portrayal of a single clinic in a movie will somehow change the industry it is completely laughable from the patient’s perspective. Can you honestly believe what you are saying here? You actually lose credibiltiy in my opinion when you make this statement.

I brought up the point about the doctors that advertise on that other list to make a point. If you had a close family member that was in desperate need of brain surgery maybe your child. They needed the absolute best as the surgery was risky and they could die. Would you choose a name off a list of some guy that puts his homemade porn on the Internet? You would probably think to yourself is this guy crazy, he doesn’t actually expect me to think that these doctors on this list could possibly be of any value. They have low standards to begin with by doing business with the guy who put the list together. Or is it that we are ht patients so screw them it’s good enough. We can just work off their desperation and hope that are making the right decision. Well let me tell you from my perspective it is not good enough nor should it be good enough for anyone else.

Do those in the industry even get any of this? Do you understand why we laugh when you think a movie will change this industry? You can’t even help change yourself how is a movie going to help?

This is not an attack, I’m trying to get those in the industry to see what we see. Some of you have become very fat and have lost your hunger for doing the right thing so take a close look at yourself.

[Jotronic]

Losing_it,

I agree with ejj that there is a tendancy to become defensive on this forum, particularly from senior well respected members. No one brought into question the integrity of Joe or Spex. But if you are a member of an industry that are viewed as a joke, irrespective if you yourself have been butchered in the past then you should be able to accept critique. Progress can only be made if we debate, question and not accept anything on face vaue. Since Spex and Joe represents an industry what they write should be open to critique. Calling people haters or detractors because they question the dominant view is unacceptable.

Super size received massive publicity but people still eat McDonalds. The question is not if a docu can bring about change, can it bring about significant change?

What are you even talking about? I never called anyone a hater and I certainly was not or am not defensive about anything not to mention I was at no point offended by anything said thus far. I'm not even sure what this thread is about anymore. It seems to have morphed from an unusual but simple question into a rant with no real point.

Topcat,

But instead of constantly dispelling what we have to say maybe take a moment and listen.

Who's dispelling what? You asked a question, I answered it (quite well I might add) and then you moved the goal posts back. You said that the films I mentioned were "negative" as if that makes a difference. Then you start a rant about other "lists" and whatnot that have nothing to do with the original post and to be honest you're kind of losing me with the bouncing around and lack of focus on any one thing in particular. Keep your eye on the ball, man, keep your eye on the ball.

Some of you have become very fat and have lost your hunger for doing the right thing so take a close look at yourself.

Who? Names. I want names!

[topcat]

That sounds like solid advice. I'll try not to ask too many questions next time and "keep my eye on the ball man"