Boots Hair Retention Programme

[sausage]

You have been around literally 5 mins yet you think you know best, so be it. You have a right to your opinion however strong it is or off point. It is what it is. Do what you feel is best however the fact if the matter is Dr Singh is legitimate and a fantastic source of the drug so trying to debunk him in my opinion is really disrespectful.

You can pay through the nose all you like as it's no skin off mine. Pay all you want to and more from whatever source you feel safe with if it makes you feel better.

The FACT of the matter is you can get EXACTLY the same drug for next to nothing in comparison to the EXTORTIONATE price of propecia and BS 'Boots hair programe' from legitimate sources as proven countless times by countless informed finasteride users in the UK.

If you have money to burn go for it.

For someone who is supposed to be a professional in this business you are pretty unprofessional with your comments.

Your totally missing my point yet again.

1. Your going on and on and on about price. My point had nothing to do with price. I understand Dr Singh's source is cheaper, I have got that, I know that, you don't need to tell me 100 times.

2. My point had nothing to do with ruining someones reputation. Saying I am trying to 'Debunk' Dr Singh because I questioned who he was is ridiculous and again unprofessional on your part.

3. Trying to use scare tactics saying I will most likely get side effects is absolutely outrageous, I can't believe your in this business. Ridiculously unprofessional and out of order. I am over thinking where to buy medication from so I will get side effects, I have never head so much bolox in my life, just cos I have chosen not to take your advice you threaten me with side effects. Thats just sick.

My point was simply Boots and Lloyds Pharmacy are massive pharmaceutical company's, Dr Singh is a registered GP in the UK who has 'many testimonials on forums'......

Who do I choose in terms of peace of mind, assurance, reputation?.... a UK reputable ultra-huge Pharmaceutical company or Dr Singh who has 'testimonials on forums'. (Random people giving testimonials does not exactly give me confidence).

I think thats a fairly easy decision.

I am not saying Dr Singh is not legitimate, I am sure he is legit as you say so.

I mean come-on....The Big Daddies in the pharmaceutical industry or a Dr you don't know who has some testimonials from strangers online.

Its a no brainer who gives you more confidence.

Boots and Lloyds Pharmacies website compared to Dr Singhs website........which website looks more legitimate?

If I just became a doctor and started selling this medication online on a not so good website but managed to get recommendations online that I was legit...who would you trust more me or Boots/Lloyds.

I have no idea how you came across him in the first place, but if like me you came across him through recommendations on forums then surely you would have been at least a little skeptical.

[Spex]

Hi Jcm,
Yes mate I do - however over the last year or two he has become incredibly difficult to get hold of. He was is is also a great source and great guy.

I have received so many emails from guys not able to get in touch with him who have been getting their finasteride from him for years who can't seem to get a reply from him mist of the time.

Hope this helps
Spex

[Jcm800]

That makes sense - I mailed him a few times in the last year and had no response, thanks tho - still on the fence regarding Fin personally.

[Spex]

JCM,

No worries. If your not ready to take the plunge then dont feel compelled to - take your time and if you want any help just ask mate.


Sausage,

I will make this my last post to you.

You are twisting it as usual. Slag me off all you like i seriously do not care. C - Ive been around a long time and everyone knows me as a very straight shooter and tell it how it is.

'Scare tactic' and threatening you with side effects coz your not taking my advice..... SERIOUSLY WTF!!!! Classic twist.


I stated MY opinion - i didn't threaten you with anything - I am stating my opinion based on observing you on all your posts generally. eg:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=7915

In my opinion ( like you are allowed yours) you over analyse EVERYTHING to the point of utter confusion. This is MY opinion and i'm entitled to it and i'm confident many agree.

I am not threatening you with anything and of course i do not wish side effects on anyone!

Listen to Spencer Kobrens shows and listen to him. He strongly believes many side effects from meds are psychosomatic, in many patients. I 110% agree with him as patients can way overthink things, fact. I have stated this many many times previously too.

Seriously good luck, buy your meds wherever. Ease off attacking me for trying to do nothing other than help you, believe it or not.

Dont twist this post or others of mine. I will make this my last post to you that way our personalities do not need clash.

Best
Spex

[UKresponder]

[Reference piece]


This is how it works -

This thread is pointless if its based on legitimacy of the medication source which it seems to be.

Why?

Let's explain how a hair loss sufferer can obtain finasteride for their own personal circumstances.

1, you would see your local GP , 95% of the time your local GP will have no experience in treating this condition with the current gold standard medication that being finasteride. What would he do here?

1. Again 95% of then wil say sorry this is not my speciality I have no real knowledge of this area, I would suggest you go see a hair loss clinic.

2. He might actually pick up the the UKBNF formulary book look it up in front of you and see that their is a drug called propecia which has a retail price of £30 or so.

Now here comes the nonsense, strictly speaking an NHS GP [working out of a GMS contract surgery] by law is not allowed to charge his own patient for a non NHS prescription drug, that means he will most likley write a prescription for Propecia and you then are at the mercy of the pharmacist who can charge any thing he likes on top of the cost price. Now this is what is going on with prices being quoted as high as £2 a day of £60 a month.

If you have seen the tariff prices for non prescription medication inside a surgery you will see various prices depending on which post code you live in, for example any surgery can charge you a fee typically £50 + to see you as a private patient, or lets say you need a yellow fever vaccination that is again a private deal so the surgery will get stamiril (yellow fever vac) for around £28 and charge you anywhere from £50 as high as £80 in some london areas.

another example shingle vaccine - cost under £100 - private prescription surgeries charge -£120 to as high as £200 in harley street .

And.....

A Gp will most likley only write out 3 months prescription at a time as that is the normal practice., based on NHS drus so that they dont see extra waste and they know that you will come back to take regular meds.

PLUS - if you go to a hair loss clinic or even transplant clinic they again will mark up this cost, that is why Belgravia clinic used to cost me £760+ pounds a year for Propecia , a few years back I can't speak now but they will gain issue 3/4 monh prescriptions at the highest price then bolt on a 'consultation fee' per 3/4 month prescription and the mark up is substantial.

Any clinic that offers hair loss medication tend to do this

Now it has come down somewhat due to more competition etc, so what do boots do? They have to make it look like you are getting more for your money and wrap it up into some sort of package.

Lets look at legitimacy of independent Gp's

For example Dr Ashcroft or Dr Singh or any other Dr in the UK. These guys tend to

1. have a lot of experience prescribing the drug
2. Understand the side effect profile and are comfortable prescribing it.

Now understand this each one of those Gp's have to write out an FP10 private prescription and guess where the medication comes from? That's right a UK pharmacy wholesaler. WHAT ???? yes exactly the independent Gp who can act like a dispencing surgery for his own private patients when needing the medication to treat the condition will write out a prescription and then hand that prescription to the pharmacist and the pharmacist will get THE EXACT same medication for the GP.

It's exactly the same thing, only independent Private GP's don't stich us all up by only giving out 3 months drugs at a time bolting on a large 'consuting fee' for each 3 month prescription and or package up the same medication as some special hair loss deal.

finasteride is a prescription only medication

IT HAS TO COME FROM A PHARMACY. there is no question of legitimacy

This is why as Spex has mentioned there is no bad negative posts of the legitimacy of for example Dr Singh and in previous years Dr Ashcroft who has. If there was believe me we on this forum would be all over it like a cheap suit.

Why? Because when I get my medication from Dr Singh and in previous years Dr Ashcroft who has now disapeared we get the medication in an original boxed up package with all the correct pateint info leaflets etc.

In conclusion;

1.Almost all NHS GP's will not know much about treating hair loss via medication

2. This leads us to look for alternative sources to get the meds, that being online.

3. This raises the question of legitimacy?

4. Now that you know that any private Uk based Gp who can offer finasteride has to obtain the medication via prescription from a uk pharmacy.

5. Of course a private Gp will not have a slick corporate website??

6. If there were bogus meds being pushed by any GP it would be red flagged and supported by all the forums staright away.

Finally with regards to side effects, reading this thread what Spex is trying to make the point of is many people often coax themselves in to thinking that they will get major sides as they are a little too anxious about taking a leap forward into the unknown. It's is a well known fact of the placebo effect that you can start feeling better on just a sugar pill, but the reverse is also true you can potentiate side effects more than normal if your pyschology is tuned into this.

I have experienced this myself and also a friend of mine (a girl who was getting treating for a female condition) but the nurse actually only injected her with a local anaesthetic to test for reaction and she had thought that she got the actual drug, and experinced side effects which are drug related because she was told what might happen , but she only received a local anaesthetic which has competely different side effects if any which are competley impossible.

At the end of the day know you know how the system works and this thread and topic is a common one.

Lets get back to the basics here -

We need the medication on a non rip off price that works, some GP's who understand hair loss and treat privatley have made themselves available to help prescribe this rather costly drug at affordable prices, they are not large national firms with a beautful shop front so if that makes you think its not legit then please understand what has been discused here in this post and feel confident that these guys have a repuation, are medical professionals and the last thing they want is to be associated with bogus non legit practices.

How do I know all this stuff? For 7 years I have worked in the pharmaceutical industry as a medical sales account manager/ rep/ etc I know this stuff inside out

best UK R

[spreadlocks]

I don't wanna get into an argument with anyone but Sausage, you are wrong man. Boots is simply a Pharmacy, like any other pharmacy. There are pharmacists in Boots and any other pharmacies that know very little and offer incorrect information. I would way rather get my drugs from a GP who specialises. I recently had a pharmacist at boots tell me that there was no way I could get a prescription for proscar as I only wanted it for hair loss. He said no doctor would ever prescribe it. I walked into my doctors that evening and got a prescription.

You can argue with Spex all you like and as he said, you are entitled to think what you want, however you are about to waste a heap of cash. I used to spend about 400 a year on Finestride. For the past 2 years I have spent less than half of that and there is absolutely no difference. The only difference with boots and any other pharmacy is that boots is on the high street.

[chrisdav]

I am agreement with Ukresponder.

I get my finasteride from Dr Singh and have done for ages.

But if you still have any doubts Sausage, I would suggest that you contact Dr Farjo, who is recommended on here and ask him to supply you with proscar.

I think he charges £90 for 3 months(£360 a year) or even see if Dr Feriduni can do it for you as I remember you were considering surgery with him.

Unfortunately, all the clinics appear to be doing this in the Uk, which I am not happy about as I know they make big margins on them.

That is capitalism for you

[chrisis]

I just want to chime in to make a point that being positive about finasteride doesn't immunize you from experiencing negative side effects. I was quite (stupidly) casual about taking it and started getting sides 2-3 months in. I went off it in January and am still waiting for everything to go back to normal.

The bottom line is it alters the chemistry of your hormonal system. You can't sugar coat that with a positive attitude.

[Spex]

Nice post UkResponder. Enjoyed reading it.

Spex