Capsaicin and Soy Isoflavones Promote Hair Growth

[Cob984]

well basically soy apparently lowers dht and according to gutted anything that changes hormones internally shouldnt be used but in any case i still use soy too
not isoflavones extracts but just a glass of soymilk a day

[Ibrium]

I guess since I use finasteride, I won't be following that advice anyway.

The isoflavone content in a glass of soy milk won't really do anything anyway. It's only a fraction of what was used in the hair loss study.

[alanrudy]

I'd like to know more about why not to have soy and msm together. I believe both soy and msm are together in thenatural's regimen. 75mg is not that much soy and I believe you'd have to avoid quite a bit of food to not eat any food that changes hormones. I think I will try this for 90 days to see any effect.

[bananana]

I'd like to know more about why not to have soy and msm together. I believe both soy and msm are together in thenatural's regimen. 75mg is not that much soy and I believe you'd have to avoid quite a bit of food to not eat any food that changes hormones. I think I will try this for 90 days to see any effect.

To be honest, I've used this for almost 7 months and noticed nothing.

On the other hand after only a few weeks on msm I noticed less oil and itch so I dropped this regimen.

[alanrudy]

To be honest, I've used this for almost 7 months and noticed nothing.

On the other hand after only a few weeks on msm I noticed less oil and itch so I dropped this regimen.

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, the results in the study seem too good to be true, but on the other hand, trying it for 90 days won't hurt and won't break the bank. I currently take MSM and prior to that, I was taking a glucosomine/MSM combo pill for a knee injury that sprouted tons of vellous hair within days/weeks. I was excited and it was around the time I was reading about the benefits of MSM on the forums so I made an order for MSM but unfortunately haven't been getting the same results. It could be because of the brand of MSM I used (a highly rated brand though) or maybe the glucosomine/MSM combo is what is needed, for me at least.

[bananana]

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, the results in the study seem too good to be true, but on the other hand, trying it for 90 days won't hurt and won't break the bank. I currently take MSM and prior to that, I was taking a glucosomine/MSM combo pill for a knee injury that sprouted tons of vellous hair within days/weeks. I was excited and it was around the time I was reading about the benefits of MSM on the forums so I made an order for MSM but unfortunately haven't been getting the same results. It could be because of the brand of MSM I used (a highly rated brand though) or maybe the glucosomine/MSM combo is what is needed, for me at least.

Hm, very interesting only glucosomine/msm combo gave you results, I think someone on the forum mentioned glucosomine already...

I know my 5 year older brother takes heaps of it - and he has more hair than I do! (and I hate im for that! )

I havent experienced any regrowth so far with msm combo, but the decreased oil and itch obviously mean something good is going on. I added cetirizine to my regimen recently. I'll see what happens from now on.

[alanrudy]

Yes, maybe I will go back on it as well instead of just msm. But let me remind, it was only vellus hair, but no telling what would happen over a years time on it. The vellus hair seemed to grow in areas I had lost several years ago, not areas I had more recently lost.

[Jcm800]

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, the results in the study seem too good to be true, but on the other hand, trying it for 90 days won't hurt and won't break the bank. I currently take MSM and prior to that, I was taking a glucosomine/MSM combo pill for a knee injury that sprouted tons of vellous hair within days/weeks. I was excited and it was around the time I was reading about the benefits of MSM on the forums so I made an order for MSM but unfortunately haven't been getting the same results. It could be because of the brand of MSM I used (a highly rated brand though) or maybe the glucosomine/MSM combo is what is needed, for me at least.

Which brand of MSM did you use out of interest?

[alanrudy]

I currently use the NOW brand which I still have plenty of. I'm not sure the brand I used for the glucosomine/MSM combo but I'm pretty sure when I see the pictures of the different bottles when I want to order it'll jog the memory.

[Jcm800]

Ok thanks, I'm using the Dr's best brand of opti MSM currently myself.

[alanrudy]

No prob. I tried to find the brand of the combo with glucosamine but none look familiar yet.

[alanrudy]

Well, I tried the combo from that experiment of caps+soy isoflavones for hair regrowth for 40 days. The Soy Isoflavones were 80mg (identical to experiment) and then there was a blend of Caps+Garlic that equaled 1.08g. I've always eaten spicy food so wasn't too worried about the caps, but soy is a relative new part of my diet and I've been researching everything about it to come up with a conclusion if it was okay. It seems the objective stance is what bananana said earlier in the thread about it in that it's okay/good for you, but there are also a ton of warnings on several websites too. There is also talk that it helps frontal lobe function and is an endocrine disrupter. As for my personal reaction.....
I feel it had some big negative effects on me. It's tough to say it's definitely from the soy because of a couple potentially confounding things I did, but one of the first effects as I started to take it is being more mellow and more sensitive to avoiding stress. I may be biased, but I consider this effect as definitely bad now because I don't consider it my usual self and feel I had less ambition for my usual things and life, but I guess it can also be seen as good because I was less stressed about things that probably aren't too big of a deal.
As I was continuing with it though, I noticed I trended more to this mellow and started becoming anxious and down and then quickly stopped the supps. While on it at the end, and the first days off of it I wasn't reacting to things like I normally do and didn't feel myself and then I started becoming super paranoid, anxious, and analyzing whether whatever I did was my usual self or not.
I didnt notice any of the classic "fin" sides like decreased sex drive, gyno, etc. but as mentioned in another forum, I guess its because the soy supp wasnt strong enough to create that dramatic an increase in estrogen- but strong enough to raise it to the extent where all my other hormones went out of whack and my mind jumped off the deep end.
I also feel some reduced cognition on certain days, but also thinking about issues I hadn't thought about much before in life. It may just be anecdotal but I've heard people say bald people are more viril and intelligent and it's interesting that I experienced some negatives in both being full of life and my intellect.
As for hair growth, I did continue to see vellous hairs grow like crazy, but that could've been from the glucosomine/msm combo I was still on as well...and 40 days is not a fair experiment for hair growth. Either way, for me, I'm not sure I've recovered from this and it's currently not worth it for me to take this combo for even one more day. I'm begging the forum for help on what I may be able to do to ensure I am 100% back to normal. I did hormone tests and everything (testosterone, estradiol, t3, cortisol, DHEA) checks out (I haven't had soy in over a month and a half). My Growth Hormone is 0.1, that's not out of range, but I do feel it should be higher since I'm an otherwise athletic, 32 y/o. I would mabe do HGH/maybe a natural HGH booster, really anything to make sure I am better. Any suggestions? What I would most like to get back is I used to be almost attracted/live for stressful situations and have a pretty big drive/excitement for work and life but feel I have lost a lot of it and have anxiety/being down in the way. I really appreciate any help in advance, I really need it!

[alanrudy]

Btw, the study said this supplement combo increases IGF-1 so maybe I stopped producing HGH for my own IGF-1?