Hi, 28 year old, lack of hair on crown

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  • Tracy C
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 3125

    #31
    Originally posted by mnx
    Anyway, I may as well list my supplement regimen.
    Wow! You really don't need all that. It is best to get your nutition from the foods that you eat. A good quality Hair, Skin & Nails multi-vitamin will have most of what you need anyways.

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    • StressedToTheBald
      Inactive
      • Jan 2012
      • 452

      #32
      Originally posted by mnx
      Anyway, I may as well list my supplement regimen.

      Saw Palmetto/ whole berry, 540mg x3 daily(Going to buy a standardized extract complex to replace this)
      Multivitamin/ once a day(500% b-6, 100% zinc + usual array, has added Saw Palmetto, Pygeum, evening primrose oil, pumpkin seed)
      Hair, Skin, and nails/twice a day(700mg MSM, 250mg horsetail extract 7 % silica, L-Cysteine, Choline, Inositol, PABA)
      Biotin/ 1668%, once a day
      Black currant seed oil/ 1 gram 14-17% gamma linolenic, twice a day
      Virgin Cold pressed Pumpkin seed oil, I put on almost everything I eat, consume a good 1-2 tbsp a day.
      Green tea/ 3 cups a day
      Trader Joes super green drink/1 scoop a day(Not specifically for hair loss, but the stuff makes me feel great, and there are some things in there that could help at the very least with the health of my hair)
      (Buying Beta-sitosterol, nettle leaf, eleuthero ginseng, green tea extract)

      Also, I try to eat a very healthy diet. I eat lots of seaweed which is good for your hair, only good fats, not excessive meat, little to no dairy etc. No sugar, I try to limit my carbs in general. Hey this stuff can't hurt.
      Those are excellent ingredients. We have plenty in common, my regimen contains many of those compounds You listed. Most importantly - they're safe, unlike that man-poison hazard drug called propecia.

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      • 2020
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 1527

        #33
        Originally posted by StressedToTheBald
        Those are excellent ingredients. We have plenty in common, my regimen contains many of those compounds You listed. Most importantly - they're safe, unlike that man-poison hazard drug called propecia.
        ^ just so you know, he's still bald... That might tell you something about the efficacy of those supplements

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        • Tracy C
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2011
          • 3125

          #34
          Originally posted by StressedToTheBald
          Those are excellent ingredients.
          mnx,

          StressedToTheBald does not know anything. The nonsense he keeps shoveling is worthless and will steer you down the wrong path if you believe it. Following his advice will waste your time, waste your money and waste your hair that could have been saved if you had chosen proven treatments.

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          • mnx
            Member
            • Feb 2012
            • 37

            #35
            Originally posted by 2020
            You don't know if it's MPB? Try to find out before spending money on all those supplements
            I would say it is likely, and I don't really want to wait until it is obvious before I address it. Also, those supplements really aren't as expensive as it all sounds.

            Some of it I would be consuming anyway(super green drink, pumpkin seed oil, green tea and multivitamin).

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            • mnx
              Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 37

              #36
              Originally posted by Tracy C
              Wow! You really don't need all that. It is best to get your nutition from the foods that you eat. A good quality Hair, Skin & Nails multi-vitamin will have most of what you need anyways.
              I try to eat healthy, and yeah some might be unnecessary, but it really isn't as expensive or troublesome as it sounds.

              Honestly I've been big on supplements ever since I used them to combat severe stomach problems, and this amount feels ok to me.

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              • mnx
                Member
                • Feb 2012
                • 37

                #37
                Originally posted by StressedToTheBald
                Those are excellent ingredients. We have plenty in common, my regimen contains many of those compounds You listed. Most importantly - they're safe, unlike that man-poison hazard drug called propecia.
                Originally posted by 2020
                ^ just so you know, he's still bald... That might tell you something about the efficacy of those supplements
                Originally posted by Tracy C
                mnx,

                StressedToTheBald does not know anything. The nonsense he keeps shoveling is worthless and will steer you down the wrong path if you believe it. Following his advice will waste your time, waste your money and waste your hair that could have been saved if you had chosen proven treatments.
                You know, I notice that stbb has a similar interest in herbal supplements, however I am not putting all my eggs in that basket trust me. I appreciate your warnings, I am not buying bogus cures, and I am going to consider the big 3 with advice of a specialist. I also will continue to pursue my own regimen.

                I am resolved to do everything in my power to keep my hair.

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                • chrisis
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 1257

                  #38
                  mnx, there are people at either sides of the spectrum, either pushing propecia or criticising it. I'm personally in the middle, because the truth is we don't conclusively know what the risks are, and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

                  The facts are that the studies that have been conducted indicate finasteride is useful to stop male pattern baldness, and that it is relatively low risk. However, Merck have recently pulled their website promoting Propecia and are preparing to defend themselves in court.

                  Facts aside, my personal experience and that of many others indicates that the risks may be higher than Merck and people on these forums suggest.

                  It's your decision at the end of the day, so try not to be convinced by people at the "poles" of the argument. If you try finasteride, start at a lower dose and work up, but I certainly would applaud you for trying alternatives first, especially if you're just at an early stage in the balding process.

                  By the way, I had a fine experience with finasteride for 2-3 months and then the side effects kicked in. It's not always instant, apparently. I'm off the drug for nearly a week now and waiting for things to return to normal. I'll inform the board when they do. If they don't, I'll have to see my doctor...

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                  • StressedToTheBald
                    Inactive
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 452

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Karimoo7
                    Hi,
                    How can I stop falling hair? I am losing hair day by day.denver airport shuttle
                    LOL Leave the airport. It can't be good for hair, all them planes coming from above..

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                    • 2020
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1527

                      #40
                      Originally posted by chrisis
                      because the truth is we don't conclusively know what the risks are, and anyone who says otherwise is lying.
                      we don't know the risks and yet FDA concluded that it's safe?
                      Don't worry, FDA is much more paranoid than you two combined. They wouldn't have approved it if it was unsafe.

                      Originally posted by chrisis
                      The facts are that the studies that have been conducted indicate finasteride is useful to stop male pattern baldness, and that it is relatively low risk. However, Merck have recently pulled their website promoting Propecia and are preparing to defend themselves in court.
                      you do realize that this drug has been around for more than 20 years and its patent is about to expire on 2013?
                      There is no need for Merck to advertise it anymore, that's why the website is down.

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                      • StressedToTheBald
                        Inactive
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 452

                        #41
                        Originally posted by chrisis
                        mnx, there are people at either sides of the spectrum, either pushing propecia or criticising it. I'm personally in the middle, because the truth is we don't conclusively know what the risks are, and anyone who says otherwise is lying.
                        Taking the fact that you have quit the drug and have personally suffered from the side effects, I can't see you in the middle, sorry..

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                        • 25 going on 65
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 1476

                          #42
                          Originally posted by 2020
                          you do realize that this drug has been around for more than 20 years and its patent is about to expire on 2013?
                          This means generic 1 mg finasteride will be available at US pharmacies soon after, right?
                          Thank god

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                          • chrisis
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 1257

                            #43
                            Originally posted by StressedToTheBald
                            Taking the fact that you have quit the drug and have personally suffered from the side effects, I can't see you in the middle, sorry..
                            I'm in the middle because it's possible I'm just unlucky to be in a small minority of men who suffered the side effects. I'm inclined to think logically and critically and I won't let my own negative personal experience turn me into a "hater", just as a positive experience wouldn't make me a "pusher" and dismissive about the risks.

                            we don't know the risks and yet FDA concluded that it's safe?
                            Don't worry, FDA is much more paranoid than you two combined. They wouldn't have approved it if it was unsafe.
                            2020, Propecia's website has been taken down and a link to notify the FDA about side effects has been added.

                            You believe this is because their patent will run out in over a year's time? On what basis? Is this standard protocol? Sounds like you know how the industry works.

                            NOTE: The FDA are not beyond human error or corruption. There is an entire Wikipedia article here about FDA mistakes and alleged corruption:

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                            • chrisis
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2012
                              • 1257

                              #44
                              "A $1.8 million 2006 Institute of Medicine report on pharmaceutical regulation in the U.S. found major deficiencies in the FDA system for ensuring the safety of drugs on the American market. Overall, the authors called for an increase in the regulatory powers, funding, and independence of the FDA"

                              In other words, stop suggesting that FDA approval means the drug is necessarily as safe as Merck suggest.

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                              • StressedToTheBald
                                Inactive
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 452

                                #45
                                Originally posted by chrisis
                                I'm in the middle because it's possible I'm just unlucky to be in a small minority of men who suffered the side effects. I'm inclined to think logically and critically and I won't let my own negative personal experience turn me into a "hater", just as a positive experience wouldn't make me a "pusher" and dismissive about the risks.
                                But its conflicting.. You also said You don't think Merck's percentages reflect reality.. and truly so, I agree - both Boston and Washington studies dispute Merck's claims and put out much greater percentages.

                                I don't think You're a part of a small minority chrisis. I believe You are a part of a much larger group of people, a much higher percentage of people who have suffered from this drug in reality. You were lucky in the sense that Your side effects weren't permanent, but thats sadly wasn't the outcome with all people who tried this drug.. People pressing charges and going to courts have had the worst possible outcome.

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