All this talk about Propecia is getting me Depressed

[2020]

Please link for us all of these long term studies. You must be armed with the URLs since you keep talking about there having been multiple.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?t...eride%201%20mg

longest one is 10 years.

[Winston]

Here's a very straightforward study of 5 times the dose of Propecia. Let’s look a hardcore facts:

From a 4 year Proscar study.

Note that this is a true clinical study, not a poll taken within a group of men who had already suffered with either real or psychosomatic sexual side effects from the drug. I think it should aslo be mentioned that most if not all members of sites like Propeciahelp have reported their side effects within the first year of taking the drug.

http://www.drugs.com/pro/proscar.html

4-Year Placebo-Controlled Study (PLESS)

In PLESS, 1524 patients treated with Proscar and 1516 patients treated with placebo were evaluated for safety over a period of 4 years. The most frequently reported adverse reactions were related to sexual function. 3.7% (57 patients) treated with Proscar and 2.1% (32 patients) treated with placebo discontinued therapy as a result of adverse reactions related to sexual function, which are the most frequently reported adverse reactions.

[25 going on 65]

then how do you explain the results of SO MANY LONG TERM STUDIES on finasteride??

This is not a NEW DRUG!!! It's been around forever and we already knows its risks.

But that was before Dr. Irwig sent the Arizona Sexual Experience questionnaire to 71 members of PropeciaHelp.com. NOW EVERYTHING WE KNEW IS WRONG.

[NotBelievingIt]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?t...eride%201%20mg

longest one is 10 years.

Thanks.

However;
10 year study

118 men, between 20 and 61 years, with AGA receiving finasteride (1 mg/day), were enrolled in this uncontrolled study

Insignificant number of people and uncontrolled. Meaning the respondants may have been doing more then simply finasteride that affected results one way or the other, it is not stated and is not possible since it was not controlled.

Side effects were referred by 6% of the patients

Thats kind of high, but also does not say which group reported the sides, so its practically meaningless. Was it the older or younger? If it was the older does it mean anything? Men naturally lose libido and all that jazz as they age unless they keep their testosterone levels going and keep E levels at bay.

[KeepTheHair]

biking, alcohol, smoking other drugs and lifestyle choices... and even genetics. How would someone be sure that it is finasteride causing symptoms?

Judging by those studies and that hair transplant surgeons don't report permanent sides... it's very hard to believe it's a very common occurrence.

Then again... if it's 1/100 000 people and u have millions and millions from all around the world on the drug that's a lot of people... who knows what to think.

[KeepTheHair]

1/10 people have ED.

http://www.mmhc-online.com/articles/impotency.html

An Australian survey of more than 8,300 men aged 16-59 shows that erectile dysfunction was 40% more likely to occur among men who smoked more than 20 daily cigarettes, compared with nonsmokers. Also, erectile dysfunction was 24% more likely to occur among men who smoked up to 20 cigarettes per day, compared with nonsmokers.

...researchers say their study shows "strong evidence" of a link between smoking and erectile dysfunction...

http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditio...le-dysfunction

10% becomes 14%

and 10% becomes 12.4%

Now, consider a huge % of people smoke. Your going to have millions of people with erectile dysfunction with smoking as a direct cause.

[StressedToTheBald]

but all these theories fall down when confronted with fact that the study included previouly perfectly healthy guys in their prime age, between 21 and 46..

[2020]

but all these theories fall down when confronted with fact that the study included previouly perfectly healthy guys in their prime age, between 21 and 46..

what theories.... these are actual SCIENTIFIC STUDIES. Propecia is safe and millions of people will continue to use it without any problems for a long time.
Stop wasting your time proving otherwise.

[KeepTheHair]

but all these theories fall down when confronted with fact that the study included previouly perfectly healthy guys in their prime age, between 21 and 46..

U don't make any sense dude...


Just be quiet.

[seattle30]

Do the people on this forum who think that finasteride is extremely safe believe that people suffering from sexual health problems even after cessation of SSRI's believe that these individuals are suffering from something psychosomatic or some other problem as well. Do you think that this is not something iatrogenic?

Also, if you read through the entire Irwig study he does say within it that the study has multiple limitations. The study was just kind of the initial step at his attempt at trying to study the patient popluation for those who have pfs. Dr Irwig is an assistant professor of medicine at George Washington University and the Institutional Review Board at George Washington approved the study. Those of us with pfs are very greatful that he has taken the time to do this. Within the study it says that "the true incidence of these events(persistent sexual dysfunction) is unknown." It also disucsses some potential biological mechanisms which may be causing this. And like Dr Traish has said, the serious side effects that have been caused by finasteride in a subset of individuals is a subject of research