bald spot starting?

[goldbondmafia]

No need to say you are sorry. I did ask the doctor about that. The safety of the laser comb was determined during the trials that lead to FDA clearance.

I have been using my laser comb as directed for four years. If it were causing any kind of problem, I would likely know it by now.

Okay sounds good that was one thing that worried me. Im going to be trying rogaine and mino (basically your routine) along with the laser comb for now. Im going to be taking pictures and updating starting next monday when i shave my head.

I really hope rogaine works and if it does then it works forever

[goldbondmafia]

So Tracy I am seeing my doctor again tomorrow to grab a laser comb, on top of that I am getting;

-Mens Rogaine foam 5% (for mornings)
-Generic liquid minoxidil for men (for evenings), should i get 2 or 5%?
-Aveeno nourish and moisturizer shampoo
-Aloe vera with Vit E
-Laser Comb
-And which conditioner would you recommend?

Ill also be conditioning my hair every night after shampoo and using nizoral only on wednesdays. I may not shampoo saturdays or sundays but i will use conditioner probably just to keep my hair properly maintained.

I heard its bad to shampoo everyday but if i use a shampoo like aveeno nourish and moisturizer 5 days a week would be okay i hope. I dont want my hair to lose natural oils so do you think monday - friday, even saturday shampoo is okay as long as i conditioner right after? then have sundays off from any hair washing product?

[Tracy C]

Since you are male, get the 5% men's generic Minoxidil.

I use Aveeno "Nourish + Moisturize" conditioner as well as the matching shampoo. These products are safe to use every day if you want. Almost any brand of conditioner can be used every day. I do try to give my hair a break from shampoo though whenever I can.

[gh05]

Dr Rassman of balding blog states that in his opinion the laser therapy doesn't work for hair loss at all. I admit that I am also very sceptical - i went to a hair clinic this week to have my hair loss confirmed but the laser therapy just seemed like an expensive selling point. There is no proof that it works at all.

[Tracy C]

Dr Rassman of balding blog states that in his opinion the laser therapy doesn't work for hair loss at all.

Dr. Rasman is not the only doctor who insists that low level laser therapy does not work at all. Just because these people are doctors doesn't mean they know everything - nor does it mean that anything they say is gospel... There are just as many doctors who feel low level laser therapy does help some people in some way. I have actually been using the laser comb for four years. I know what it does. I know from my own first hand experience that it does do something appreciable and beneficial for some people. So it does not matter to me if one doctor or another says it can't work... I know better.

There is no proof that it works at all.

That is not true. The efficacy has been proven in clinical studies that lead to FDA clearance - more than once. A common misconception is that the FDA clearance is just for safety only. That is not true. The manufacturer also had to prove efficacy to get the clearance.

[goldbondmafia]

Hey Tracy hope your having a great start to your weekend!!!

So again I made the list of stuff I should purchase which your recommended;

-Aloe vera with Vit E
-Mens Rogaine foam 5%
-Generic liquid minoxidil 5%
-Aveeno nourish and moisturizer shampoo and conditioner
-laser hair comb

As I said im shaving my head or getting a short cut Sunday (and taking pics) and then starting my treatment on Monday. Yesterday i was searching online for the Hair Club as my dad mentioned them, (he was going to be one of their toronto lawyers when they were starting up in the 1980s) so I checked out their website and got a free consultation just to check the place out for shiits and see what they had to say.

They took pictures of my crown and its definetly starting to thin, they said to put me on a 6 month program (for 2 grand) where they would give me;

-free laser hair comb and 6 month supplies of;
-Moisturizing/revitalizing cleanser
-extreme scalp cleanser spray
-energizing conditioner
-vitamins which have Vit B3, D, E, and biotin and herbal remedies such as saw palmetto
-and finally 5% minoxidil

And on top of that I go into to see them once per month to get photos re taken and laser treatment and scalp massages.

Im not sure if $2k is worth joining mens hair club as I can buy these shampoos, conditioners, minoxidil elsewhere (for probably cheaper) and i already take the proper vitamins. Only thing that appeals to me is the free laser comb because my mother wants one for the house as she wants to use it. So she would pay for that so id have to cover $1500.

I was also suprised that they have did not mention nizoral at all because i feel it is a key part of hair regrowth/maintenance.

Other than the laser comb part, I felt good being there because i like how they want to track my progress and i can call my consultant whenever i want to ask her questions or anything or come in to see them. I checked out reviews on them and people generally do not like them because a lot of people try to fix their baldness when its too late and expect great results, luckly my hair is still very good (as u saw on first page) compared to those people with many many dead hair follicles so i know if i went with them i would get my thickness back.

When you were going through your hair loss did you go to a club similar to them just to get information/ track progress or did you just go out and buy everything yourself after your transplant?

btw heres the link to the treatment they offered me;

http://www.hairclub.com/new/extreme-hair-therapy.php

[Tracy C]

You do not need to give the Hair Club your money, most people don't. The only thing really different about what they are offering over what you can do on your own is the higher price you will be paying them.

The regimen you have spelled out is fine. You do not need the hair club.

If you want, you can add a couple of suppliments that are basically the same thing the hair club is trying to sell you. You can get them for much less money on your own. Here in the U.S., they are often on sale "buy one get one free" at CVS.

http://www.naturesbounty.com/PRODUCT/006052

http://www.naturesbounty.com/VF/LABELS/L006052-NB.PDF

http://www.naturesbounty.com/PRODUCT/007580

http://www.naturesbounty.com/VF/LABELS/L007580-NB.PDF

Also, if you buy your laser comb directly from Hairmax, you get the 20 week money back guarantee. I don't know if hair club honors the same guarantee, even though it is probably the exact same product.

With both Hair Club and Bosely, a very large portion of what you pay them is for their own marketing. These two companies are very visible because they spend so much money on marketing. They spend more money on marketing than they spend actually helping their clients. Think about that.

[goldbondmafia]

http://www.naturesbounty.com/PRODUCT/006052

http://www.naturesbounty.com/VF/LABELS/L006052-NB.PDF

http://www.naturesbounty.com/PRODUCT/007580

http://www.naturesbounty.com/VF/LABELS/L007580-NB.PDF

Also, if you buy your laser comb directly from Hairmax, you get the 20 week money back guarantee. I don't know if hair club honors the same guarantee, even though it is probably the exact same product.

With both Hair Club and Bosely, a very large portion of what you pay them is for their own marketing. These two companies are very visible because they spend so much money on marketing. They spend more money on marketing than they spend actually helping their clients. Think about that.

Ill call hair club back tomorrow to see if they offer a 20 week money back guarentee for the laser comb, i doubt they do though, i may just buy one from Hairmax.

I took a look at the saw palmetto from natural bounty it looks similar, ingrediants wise, to the one i am taking which is Organika Saw Palmetto;

http://astronutrition.com/pros-saw-palmetto-extract-120-capsules.html

As far as the other pills go I am taking Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Calcium with Magnesium + Zinc in their own seperate capsuls which are a bit stronger than the Nail, Hair, Skim vitamin. The one you posted however does have much more biotin than the biotin pills I am taking so I will switch to a better, stronger brand for my biotin intake and ill switch up to your brand of saw palmetto to give it a try!

I also take Orange Triad multi vitamins on top of all of this which are very good, here are those ingrediants;

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/orangetriad.html

[Tracy C]

Wow. You take a lot of vitamin supplements.

I only take a few. The Hair, Skin and Nails multi-vitamin, Evening Primrose Oil and vitamin D & E. My diet is pretty good, but we don't get enough sunshine here so many people are vitamin D deficient, including me… Um, you don’t have to take the same vitamins and supplements I take. Your needs are likely different than mine.

[goldbondmafia]

Wow. You take a lot of vitamin supplements.

I only take a few. The Hair, Skin and Nails multi-vitamin, Evening Primrose Oil and vitamin D & E. My diet is pretty good, but we don't get enough sunshine here so many people are vitamin D deficient, including me… Um, you don’t have to take the same vitamins and supplements I take. Your needs are likely different than mine.

haha yeah, i did not include the green tea and fish oil/omegs 3s as well.

but your right for vitamins and supplements everyones different. Obviously our vitamins should really only overlap in biotin, saw palmetto and multi's as everyone here should be taking those

[goldbondmafia]

Trace one last thing,

i understand how i am going to have to take many pictures to see my progress monthly but i wanted to buzz my hair for this and then grow it out from there however do you think it will affect my progress pictures in terms of seeing improvement where in month 1 my hair is buzzed, and month 3 for example its longer?

I just thought buzzing it would be easier to apply the foam in the morning and liquid at night. Also i want to see shedding happen (so i know its working) but if i had a buzzed cut maybe i would notice it as much and i would get more nervous thinking its not working.

or do you recommend i just cut my hair a bit shorter than normal and leave it consitant at that length for 4-6 months so the progress will be more visible.?

What do you think (last question i ask you, pinkie swear )

[headOhair]

whether or not you should buzz your hair is up to you, application of products shouldn't be a real problem.

I like the posts that discuss the importance of internal health, trying to maximize your body from the inside out is crucial in addition to topical solutions.

The base of everything is a healthy diet, supplements are only that, to supplement your diet.

Try adding a big, organic salad everyday, which is full of vitamins that will help your entire body be healthier!

One item I don't see mentioned is using Nizoral with 2% Ketoconazole solution. My friend runs a site from Canada with the real product and super fast shipping - ***********.com

[Tracy C]

One item I don't see mentioned is using Nizoral with 2% Ketoconazole solution.

How on Earth could you not have seen that discussed? It has been talked about in almost every thread.

or do you recommend i just cut my hair a bit shorter than normal and leave it consitant at that length for 4-6 months so the progress will be more visible.?

This one. Knowing what I know now, I feel this is the best thing. Maybe buzz it only down to an inch instead of all the way off. Then keep it an inch for the year that you are treating your hair loss. This should be plenty short enough to make treating your hair loss easier, yet long enough to give you an idea of how much coverage you are gaining.

I would recommend you do your best to try not to stress out over things like shedding. Whether you stressing out over shedding or a lack of shedding.

[headOhair]

How on Earth could you not have seen that discussed?

I should have stated more clearly that even though Nizoral isn't a 'drug' like propecia, it's quite important in the arsenal.

I find that people just want some magic drug that is hard to get, when simple compounds like Nizoral, Minoxidil and a healthy diet are the important base to keep and maintain your hair.

I apologize for not being clear enough

[goldbondmafia]

This one. Knowing what I know now, I feel this is the best thing. Maybe buzz it only down to an inch instead of all the way off. Then keep it an inch for the year that you are treating your hair loss. This should be plenty short enough to make treating your hair loss easier, yet long enough to give you an idea of how much coverage you are gaining.

I would recommend you do your best to try not to stress out over things like shedding. Whether you stressing out over shedding or a lack of shedding.

Thanks again Tracy, I will post my pictures in this thread starting Sunday being the first day of my regiment.

I had 3 mid terms this week, didnt have time to buy any products including mino