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    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    Yeah I read the information. Here is the website of the place I checked out;

    http://advantagelaserclinic.com/

    I would be doing a 12 month program. The doctor I spoke with basically told me that it starts off coming in 3 times per week then once a week then later just once a month. You mentioned that its not something you can just stop however after I year and that I have to keep going to maintain? The doctor said after the treatments for a year i shouldnt start balding again for 10ish years but he could be lying there.

    I am going back tomorrow or i will just call them to discuss refunds and stuff like that. I feel the place I went to is legit, the doctor seemed a bit pushy though. The place is located in Yorkville in Toronto so the company definetly has money, only the richest shop and dine in that area so I would assume the doctors there are good.

    Other then the low level laser I do not think the other alternatives are good. Im 20 years old, i dont want to start taking drugs so stop the hair loss i want some regrowth. I have enough money to do this but as you said I have to make sure its a legit place and I feel it is. Of course i am going to look for other places in toronto to compare prices as well.

    I just feel desperate you know i need to do something asap so i dont lose more hair
    First off, congratulations. You made the decision to join a legitimate forum on the web of people all over the world suffering from the same thing as you do and medical professionals who specialize in this field. You've done this shortly after you noticed your balding. Bravo. I wish I had the foresight at 20 as you do. Would've had a hell of a lot more fringe.

    Anyways, pretty much everyone here will recommend you use minoxidil/rogaine 5% because this has shown the most success with males in their early 20s balding from the back (that's you!). So add that to your regime.

    Later, if it's working, you'll experience a shed. This will make you panic. You'll come back and ask if that's normal. Someone will then reassure you it'll only be a few weeks and then you'll start seeing the results you hope for.

    The most controversial factor on this forum is the proscar/finastiride/propecia debate. Some of us (including me) feel it's a dangerous drug which could permanently mess you up in ways you can't imagine (especially since you're only 20), so I would recommend you leave it as a last alternative if the other treatments don't work at all. Others will say you need to do everything you can while you're young and if something untoward happens you can just stop it. As for saw palmetto, I never saw any results and I'm pretty sure it wasn't good for me, so I stopped it after a few fruitless months.

    Only other thing I always suggest to people is - use the Niz shampoo only every 3rd or 4th day. More often than that will actually damage your hair. And lastly, add a hair system like Nioxin or (urgh) Nisim. Those will definitely help.

    PS - The laser doctor is lying his ass off. Hair loss can't be "delayed" for a few years. It's progressive from puberty and won't stop till the day you stop producing testosterone. Grim I know, but since laser combs are also a big debate concerning their efficacy, I would rather spend my money on other treatments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    The doctor said after the treatments for a year i shouldnt start balding again for 10ish years but he could be lying there.
    The doctor may not be intentionally lying but he likely is mistaken. Hereditary hair loss is a progressive condition. You need to keep treating it to prevent it from progressing further. This does not end. Even those who have hair transplants will continue losing hair if they do nothing to slow it down or stop it.

    I think it would be best to try laser therapy at home first before putting so much money down. At least with the laser comb, you can get your money back if you don't see improvement within the 20 week money back guarantee period. If it does work for you and you feel you would benefit from laser therapy with a hood system, then go under the hood at the clinic. That way you will already have your laser comb to keep up with maintenance treatment for the long haul.

    Laser therapy does not work for everyone. For those it does work, it works well. For those it doesn't work, it's a complete waste of money. So it is best to find out if it will work for you before you pay out so much money to a clinic for hood treatments.



    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    Other then the low level laser I do not think the other alternatives are good.
    It depends on how much hair you have lost. At only 20 years old, I can't imagine you've lost much. If laser therapy works for you, I think you will be happy. Don't forget to also start using Nizoral A-D shampoo. No hair loss treatment regimen should be without it. Just don't over use Nizoral. Once every three or four days is plenty.

    I started out with just low level laser therapy for my first six months of treatment. The laser comb worked for me - and worked well. I needed more though, so I started using women's Rogaine as well. I've been using both my laser comb and Minoxidil as well as Nizoral A-D shampoo ever since. I grew a lot of hair back on this regimen - but that still wasn't enough and it was patchy. I don't want to be a bald lady and the thin patchy look wasn't working for me, so I had hair transplant surgery. However even though I have had hair transplant surgery, I keep up with the other treatments so I can keep what I have gained back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melwou7245 View Post
    Grim I know, but since laser combs are also a big debate concerning their efficacy, I would rather spend my money on other treatments.
    For those men who have more than moderate hair loss, yes laser therapy is going to be a complete waste of money - but so is Minoxidil at that point... For some men and women with mild to moderate hair loss, laser therapy can be helpful. It worked for me. Unfortunately laser therapy does not work for everyone. Hairmax has a 20 week money back guarantee. That is plenty of time to find out if laser therapy will work for a person. I personally feel it is worth it to at least find out if laser therapy will work for you. If it does, great. If it doesn't, take advantage of that money back guarantee and get your money back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melwou7245 View Post
    Anyways, pretty much everyone here will recommend you use minoxidil/rogaine 5% because this has shown the most success with males in their early 20s balding from the back (that's you!). So add that to your regime.

    Later, if it's working, you'll experience a shed. This will make you panic. You'll come back and ask if that's normal. Someone will then reassure you it'll only be a few weeks and then you'll start seeing the results you hope for.
    So does everyone on here most likely use the minoxidil/rogaine 5%? Where/how do i get this?

    BTW, my pics are in the first post at the beginning of the thread so take a look for yourself about the back part balding. I feel like my hair all over the top is just started to get thinner including the back, I havent noticed severe shedding i dont think.

    I will start using the laser comb as Tracy mentioned probably to see if it works good for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy C View Post
    Laser therapy does not work for everyone. For those it does work, it works well. For those it doesn't work, it's a complete waste of money. So it is best to find out if it will work for you before you pay out so much money to a clinic for hood treatments.

    It depends on how much hair you have lost. At only 20 years old, I can't imagine you've lost much. If laser therapy works for you, I think you will be happy. Don't forget to also start using Nizoral A-D shampoo. No hair loss treatment regimen should be without it. Just don't over use Nizoral. Once every three or four days is plenty.

    I started out with just low level laser therapy for my first six months of treatment. The laser comb worked for me - and worked well. I needed more though, so I started using women's Rogaine as well. I've been using both my laser comb and Minoxidil as well as Nizoral A-D shampoo ever since. I grew a lot of hair back on this regimen - but that still wasn't enough and it was patchy. I don't want to be a bald lady and the thin patchy look wasn't working for me, so I had hair transplant surgery. However even though I have had hair transplant surgery, I keep up with the other treatments so I can keep what I have gained back.
    Tracy, what is the difference between Nizoral 2% and Nizoral A-D shampoo? Im using the 2% now. If the laser comb works well for me and i decide to do laser therapy should I also still use minoxidil and Niz?

    But yeah at 20 my hair loss isnt too significant more thinning then anything but it makes me sick to my stomach to even think about this, let alone see pictures of my hair close up .

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    So does everyone on here most likely use the minoxidil/rogaine 5%? Where/how do i get this?
    Rogaine and generic Minoxidil are available in most pharmacies and many other retail stores. You do not need a prescription for it. Judging from your pics, I do think you would benefit from Minoxidil as well.

    I use men's Rogaine foam (5% Minoxidil) in the morning because it is more "stealth" and it makes styling my hair in the morning easier. Then I use generic women's 2% Minoxidil liquid in the evening. Rogaine does not offer the foam in the women's 2% formula.

    If you chose to use Rogaine or generic Minoxidil, I would recommend using men's Rogaine foam in the morning and generic men's 5% Minoxidil liquid in the evening. This will save you a little bit of money.

    Also, please make sure to read and understand the information that comes with the medicine. Make sure you are aware and understand about shedding - and that shedding is a normal part of the process of treating hair loss. It freaks people out. Don't get freaked out by it. It is normal. Every treatment for hair loss that actually works causes temporary shedding. Shedding is an indication that the treatment is working. The shedding stops when the miniaturized hair follicles have returned to close to normal size. The hair grows back. Ride it out.



    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    Tracy, what is the difference between Nizoral 2% and Nizoral A-D shampoo? Im using the 2% now
    Nizoral A-D is the over the counter 1% version of Nizoral. I did not know you are already using Nizoral 2%. Now that I do know that, what I said about not over using it still applies but even more so with the 2% version. Since you are using the 2% version, you should only use it once per week unless a doctor has specifically directed you to use it more often.



    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    If the laser comb works well for me and i decide to do laser therapy should I also still use minoxidil and Niz?
    I would if I were you.

    I know it is not my place to talk about Finasteride (Propecia) but you might want to talk to your doctor about it. If the possibility of side effects scares you, give a quality Saw Palmetto complex a try. Nature's Bounty makes one. I am sure other companies make a comparable product. Here are a couple of links to the product Nature's Bounty offers. One of the links is to the PDF file of the label showing the ingredients so you can use that to find similar products that might cost less. As is the case with Finasteride, it will take 12 full months of using it as directed before you will know if it is working for you or not.

    http://www.naturesbounty.com/PRODUCT/006052

    http://www.naturesbounty.com/VF/LABELS/L006052-NB.PDF


    I use Nature's Bounty's "Hair, Skin and Nails" multi-vitamin formula. I don't know if it actually helps or not - but I keep taking it anyways just in case it does.

    http://www.naturesbounty.com/PRODUCT/007580

    http://www.naturesbounty.com/VF/LABELS/L007580-NB.PDF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy C View Post
    Rogaine and generic Minoxidil are available in most pharmacies and many other retail stores. You do not need a prescription for it. Judging from your pics, I do think you would benefit from Minoxidil as well.

    I use men's Rogaine foam (5% Minoxidil) in the morning because it is more "stealth" and it makes styling my hair in the morning easier. Then I use generic women's 2% Minoxidil liquid in the evening. Rogaine does not offer the foam in the women's 2% formula.

    If you chose to use Rogaine or generic Minoxidil, I would recommend using men's Rogaine foam in the morning and generic men's 5% Minoxidil liquid in the evening. This will save you a little bit of money.

    Also, please make sure to read and understand the information that comes with the medicine. Make sure you are aware and understand about shedding - and that shedding is a normal part of the process of treating hair loss. It freaks people out. Don't get freaked out by it. It is normal. Every treatment for hair loss that actually works causes temporary shedding. Shedding is an indication that the treatment is working. The shedding stops when the miniaturized hair follicles have returned to close to normal size. The hair grows back. Ride it out.





    Nizoral A-D is the over the counter 1% version of Nizoral. I did not know you are already using Nizoral 2%. Now that I do know that, what I said about not over using it still applies but even more so with the 2% version. Since you are using the 2% version, you should only use it once per week unless a doctor has specifically directed you to use it more often.





    I would if I were you.

    I know it is not my place to talk about Finasteride (Propecia) but you might want to talk to your doctor about it. If the possibility of side effects scares you, give a quality Saw Palmetto complex a try. Nature's Bounty makes one. I am sure other companies make a comparable product. Here are a couple of links to the product Nature's Bounty offers. One of the links is to the PDF file of the label showing the ingredients so you can use that to find similar products that might cost less. As is the case with Finasteride, it will take 12 full months of using it as directed before you will know if it is working for you or not.

    http://www.naturesbounty.com/PRODUCT/006052

    http://www.naturesbounty.com/VF/LABELS/L006052-NB.PDF


    I use Nature's Bounty's "Hair, Skin and Nails" multi-vitamin formula. I don't know if it actually helps or not - but I keep taking it anyways just in case it does.

    http://www.naturesbounty.com/PRODUCT/007580

    http://www.naturesbounty.com/VF/LABELS/L007580-NB.PDF
    Hey thank you for your quick replies. Just wondering but do you have your own personal before and after pictures?

    As far as rogaine and mino go, what happens if I use it, shed, regrow some damaged hair follicales and then stop using it say 2 years from now. Will my hair start shedding then? i just feel like if i use moni and rogaine and once i stop i will quickly lose hair

    Also you apply the stuff in morning and night correct.. do you apply it and leave it in the whole day, 7 days per week? Generally ill wake up, shower then should i dry my hair and put the stuff in? then at night after school i usually lift weights then shower before bed so ill put it in again then i assume on wet or dry scalp.

    Or am I supposed to put it in then wash it out say an hour after?

    Also if there is stronger roagine or mino i would be willing to pay extra bucks for the best stuff out there.

    In terms of propecia i do not want to try it im way too scared and do not think its neccessary for me right now. As far as the saw palmetto i am taking organikas saw palmetto , not sure how much it compares to the one you provided me with but ill research into that more. It also helps for prostate which my grandfather had so i will for sure take it monthly!

    The one thing i hate about hair loss personally is the fact i have extremely high testosterone levels which works against my hair growth and the fact im obsessed with working out 4-5 days a week creates more testosterone. atleast ill never need viagra i guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    Just wondering but do you have your own personal before and after pictures?
    I take pictures every two months to track my progress. I am sorry but I am not comfortable posting pictures of myself on the internet. However, I highly recommend you track your progress with a photo diary as well. I described the poses you need on the first page of this thread.



    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    As far as rogaine and mino go, what happens if I use it, shed, regrow some damaged hair follicales and then stop using it say 2 years from now. Will my hair start shedding then? i just feel like if i use moni and rogaine and once i stop i will quickly lose hair.
    Hereditary hair loss is progressive. If you stop any treatment for hair loss, you will lose any and all benefits of that treatment. Yes you will start losing your hair again. I do not know how quickly or slowly that happens.



    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    Also you apply the stuff in morning and night correct.. do you apply it and leave it in the whole day, 7 days per week? Generally ill wake up, shower then should i dry my hair and put the stuff in? then at night after school i usually lift weights then shower before bed so ill put it in again then i assume on wet or dry scalp.
    Yes, you apply it morning and night and leave it in all day and all night.

    I take a shower in the morning and another after my evening workout. I put both my morning and evening doses in while my hair is "towel dry damp"... In the morning I also use other products as I pretty up my hair for the day - but the Rogaine foam goes in first, then my leave-in treatment, then I blow dry (on lowest setting) and style my hair, then hair spray. In the evening I just put the liquid Minoxidil in after I towel dry my hair and let it air dry till bedtime.



    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    Also if there is stronger roagine or mino i would be willing to pay extra bucks for the best stuff out there.
    5% is the strongest approved formula. Stronger formulas increase your chances of experiening negative side effects.



    Quote Originally Posted by goldbondmafia View Post
    The one thing i hate about hair loss personally is the fact i have extremely high testosterone levels which works against my hair growth and the fact im obsessed with working out 4-5 days a week creates more testosterone. atleast ill never need viagra i guess
    Mix up your work outs. You need to have variety in your work outs anyways. Do weight bearing one day, cycling another day, skating another day, yoga another day etc.

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    Bud, changing your lifestyle to try and lessen your hair loss is a fool's errand. Most people argue that being fit means you'll have better circulation on your scalp, which will lead to the treatments being more effective.

    The only exception to this is juicing. The damage done with that is very, very extensive. Even worse you don't even realize it until a few weeks afterwards.

    All I can say is - get 5% minoxidil, Niz shampoo and a decent shampoo/conditioner. That's it. No need to break the bank. Use that for at least 6 months and gauge if you improved. If not, add other treatments. Leave the pills for last, because I promise you it will throw your hormones out of whack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy C View Post
    I take pictures every two months to track my progress. I am sorry but I am not comfortable posting pictures of myself on the internet. However, I highly recommend you track your progress with a photo diary as well. I described the poses you need on the first page of this thread.
    I completely understand, I was too scared as well until last week when I wanted to see what people on here thought of my hair situation. I will definitely take pictures though!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy C View Post
    Hereditary hair loss is progressive. If you stop any treatment for hair loss, you will lose any and all benefits of that treatment. Yes you will start losing your hair again. I do not know how quickly or slowly that happens.
    I guess that was a dumb question to ask on my part, definitely makes sense that if you stop anything it will get worse from there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy C View Post
    Yes, you apply it morning and night and leave it in all day and all night.

    I take a shower in the morning and another after my evening workout. I put both my morning and evening doses in while my hair is "towel dry damp"... In the morning I also use other products as I pretty up my hair for the day - but the Rogaine foam goes in first, then my leave-in treatment, then I blow dry (on lowest setting) and style my hair, then hair spray. In the evening I just put the liquid Minoxidil in after I towel dry my hair and let it air dry till bedtime..
    Okay sounds good, after the Rogaine you have a leave in treatment though? I thought it was just rogaine in morning then mino in the evening? Will this stuff make my hair look greasy or anything like that when I leave the rogaine foam during the day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy C View Post
    5% is the strongest approved formula. Stronger formulas increase your chances of experiening negative side effects.
    Okay thank you, I will look into this more before I decide on which formula to purchase.

    And also Tracy if you have some spare time take a look at this (I was using this guys regiment)

    http://www.datbtrue.co.uk/forums/index.php

    You have to sign up on the forum and they will send you a confirmation to your email (mine ended up in junk mail. If you go to the Herbal and Alternative Health Treatment section the first topic sticky’d at the top of the page is “hair is growing back that hasn’t in five year” by oldwood. Basically he uses;

    Saw palmetto – 2 pills per day
    Nizoral 2% - 2-3 times per week
    Coconut oil – applies to his scalp nightly
    Emu oil – applies to his scalp nightly (and hairline)

    This guy had his hair thinning out on his head and a receded hairline which in months he brought back to normal and thicker than ever. I was using the same regiment as him since mid-September, almost a month now because I was amazed at what he had done. Take a look for yourself and let me know what you think. Only difference is he shaved his head bald, I did not. The thread is long so his progress pictures are on pages; 2, 3, 12, and 28, you have to admit its pretty incredible.

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