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  • Gubter_87
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 102

    #16
    I actually do believe that you are trying to help and it is obvious you have given this a lot of thought. However, just by skimming through your text I can point out a lot of flaws in your theory which is a good example of pseudoscience.

    First of all: No, DHT is not in excess in balding men. The difference between balding men and non balding men is the signalling cascade that it activates in the hair follicle, not the actual serum amount of it.

    The reason women do not go bald is because they do not carry that Y-chromosome. A result of that is that they lack one of the genes that have been found to cause balding and they also have significantly lower amounts of androgens.

    Also DHT is not rejected by follicles. On the contrary DHT actually bind to the same receptor as testosterone, but with a much higher affinity. So by your theory the DHT would be the hormone that is "used up" early on in the blood stream.

    However your theory is flawed there to as DHT is actually produced from testosterone in the skin and hair follicles themselves and the circulating amount of it probably do not play a significant role in the process.

    Finasteride if effective, not by decreasing libido, but by decreasing the activity of the enzyme 5ar that converts testosterone to DHT which equals lesser amount of high affinity bindning to the receptor and therefore a decrease in the signalling cascade it causes.

    This is by no means meant to shoot you down in any way as I said I am sure that you are actually just trying to help people.
    However the theory and the (lack of) science behind it is flawed and my personal opinion is that there is no link between masturbation and hair loss.

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    • UK_
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 2744

      #17
      If your theory holds true then why are products and drugs that contradict your proposed methods so effective? I.e. Propecia?

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      • jncogt14
        Junior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 13

        #18
        Few things to hair loss.

        1) unless DHT production is halted, it is going to get to the scalp and bind to the receptor sites no matter what.
        2) believe it or not, if balding was in the cards you were dealt and you actually begin to bald, be thankful for a nice and healthy immune system because it's doing exactly what its supposed to do.

        Cardiovascular exercise technically in theory would speed up mpb because of the bodies more healthy and efficient state (not because the body produces more DHT from exercise.) Terrible huh? But balding is not a flaw of human evolution, society only leads us to believe it's a flaw. Some people claim exercise haults balding like it is some kind of cvd, cad etc etc. Let's say you have this nice little well shaped nose as a child, then as you get older, that thing turns into a honker! Is there a cure? Sure.. find a drug that throws the whole body into G0. ( kidding of course) but there is no difference.

        I didnt read the whole thing, but a cure is not the correct word for something perfectly healthy and normal. Prolong, sure.. but not cure.

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        • HairTalk
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 253

          #19
          Originally posted by PatientlyWaiting
          Thanks for quoting him. Now we all have to scroll down for all eternity. Just to read the posts in page 2.
          **** off.

          L.O.L. I'd hope there's not too much traffic to this thread, anyway.

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          • ResearchNeverfails
            Junior Member
            • Jun 2011
            • 26

            #20
            Read What I wrote

            If you read my first statment said it was not a cure bucause MPB is not a desease

            Originally posted by jncogt14
            Few things to hair loss.

            1) unless DHT production is halted, it is going to get to the scalp and bind to the receptor sites no matter what.
            2) believe it or not, if balding was in the cards you were dealt and you actually begin to bald, be thankful for a nice and healthy immune system because it's doing exactly what its supposed to do.

            Cardiovascular exercise technically in theory would speed up mpb because of the bodies more healthy and efficient state (not because the body produces more DHT from exercise.) Terrible huh? But balding is not a flaw of human evolution, society only leads us to believe it's a flaw. Some people claim exercise haults balding like it is some kind of cvd, cad etc etc. Let's say you have this nice little well shaped nose as a child, then as you get older, that thing turns into a honker! Is there a cure? Sure.. find a drug that throws the whole body into G0. ( kidding of course) but there is no difference.

            I didnt read the whole thing, but a cure is not the correct word for something perfectly healthy and normal. Prolong, sure.. but not cure.

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            • RichardDawkins
              Inactive
              • Jan 2011
              • 895

              #21
              Its Pseudo Science nothing more sorry, you had some really good points but you destroyed it all with strange stuff

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              • UK_
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2011
                • 2744

                #22
                Originally posted by HairTalk
                **** off.

                L.O.L. I'd hope there's not too much traffic to this thread, anyway.
                I think the whole thing needed an apt response anyway.

                I wouldn't even go as far as describing it as psuedo-science - its rubbish - thats all, he came on here acting like he really had the cure - and this is what he pulls out? What a joke! I mean really! This is worse than the Chinese procedures that aim to suck "toxic chemicals and DHT from the scalp" by the use of needles and a box of Kleenex, no offence, but the guy can barely string a coherent sentence together without littering it with spelling errors and he purports to have the cure for hair loss? Ha! Try "researching" this garbage and you're sure to fail.

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                • Follicle Death Row
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 1066

                  #23
                  Lads I have the cure, no really I do. Especially for those just beginning to miniturise. Hear me out lads, this will work. You mightn't like it but here goes: Castration!!! Problem solved. You can thank me later...or not.

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                  • ResearchNeverfails
                    Junior Member
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 26

                    #24
                    You guy are right

                    Ok so i found some science that says everything I said was wrong. Can I deleate this thread so people dont think im crazy.

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                    • 67mph
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 218

                      #25
                      Spell check PW, spell check!

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                      • UK_
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 2744

                        #26
                        Hello.... I have just cured mortality.

                        Please.... hear me out.... see.... when you die... you dont actually die.... you go to this wondrous place to meet this amazing bearded man who has now the choice of either sending you to a pointless eternity in hellfire or an equally pointless eternity in paradise.

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                        • RichardDawkins
                          Inactive
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 895

                          #27
                          I can tel you Research what a cure looks like ok an bear with me on this

                          Assume that all Docs are performing FUE. Now assume that everyone of them can get an 80 to 90% regrowth rate in the donor area.

                          Now assume you are NW6. Now assume you allow them to etract 4000 Grafts from your donor to fill in your front. Now assume 80% does regrow.

                          Now assume that after a year you can come back and get another fine round of 4000 grafts (other side or your doc is very ****y to get the donor harvested) and put them right behind your first 4000.

                          You have 8000 Grafts or 16.000 hairs. An average head has around 100.000 hairs. Now assume you could go on and on with this and even harvest from the transplanted hair in the recipient side as well.

                          Wat would this give you? A solution but not a cure. Also dont forget you could use plucked hairs as well.

                          You see if you got your whole head fixed with that you could spank the monkey all day long and eat DHT exaggering pills just for sheer fun ok.

                          To me and iam honest here if the first FUE specialist here can come up with consistent 80 to 90% donor regrowth, i will book an appotinemnt for 4000 grafts just for fun reasons and then i will work from the front to the vertex area.

                          And NOOOOOO i wont eat Propecia because i simply know my luck. They have a solution and exactly one month after iam fixed my dick wont work again forever. Yeah forget it buddy.

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                          • Infinity
                            Junior Member
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 9

                            #28
                            help for a woman

                            Hello, I;m a woman, and I noticed one of the recent posts here began to explain why women don't go bald. Well, I'm here to announce we do go bald! At a later age and a lesser degree, but I tell you, it looks horrible.

                            Will a DHT blocker work on a woman? I'm really in tears over this and running out of things I haven't already tried.
                            Thanks

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                            • Samiam
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 268

                              #29
                              Originally posted by jncogt14
                              Few things to hair loss.

                              1) unless DHT production is halted, it is going to get to the scalp and bind to the receptor sites no matter what.
                              2) believe it or not, if balding was in the cards you were dealt and you actually begin to bald, be thankful for a nice and healthy immune system because it's doing exactly what its supposed to do.
                              Then what about all the un-healthy balding men out there. What about all the healthy non-balding men out there?

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                              • FloridaGuy587
                                Junior Member
                                • Jun 2011
                                • 2

                                #30
                                Very Nice

                                Very Nice read,

                                I found your article thought provoking and well transversed. Its obvious some of these ignorant posters did not read your article entirely and there is only one rebuttle that has some validity in it (poster discussing chromsomes in men and women).

                                I believe though there is some validity in your post. Also to add there is a scientific link between prostate cancer and bald men, I find that relative to your topic.

                                On a personal note, I must add - I work out a lot and take a variety of supplements. One supplement in particular expands the arteries and blood vessals throughout the body. The reason it does this is so the arties can pump more proteins/nutrients/water etc to my muscles to help decrease the recovery time, thus increasing muscle gain in a short period of time...

                                Anyway, what I'm getting at is the supplement increased blood flow throughout my whole body and I've noticed when I'm on my supplement cycles, I don't see hair in my palms or goin down the drain when I take a shower or in the comb as much vs. the weeks I'm off my supplement cycles. Just something interesting to add and think about.

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