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In terms of going to the gym and working out? Does blocking DHT reduce your strength or does it cause any other reaction ; positive or negative?
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5ARI is not contained in muscles, so if it does anything it is totally minimal and you won't notice unless you are the size of Mr Olympia - and if you are I expect some of them might even use finasteride to protect their prostate from other steroids that have harmful side effects. -
Ive been on propecia over a month and I actually feel I have more energy at the gym than I did before. I seem to be able to lift more reps without getting as tired so fast. Maybe this is from the small increase of testosterone? I expect my body will even out again but I been feeling great for the first month at least!Comment
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It's a tough one. So T goes up 10-15% while DHT goes down 65-70%. I've decided not to available of finasteride but each to his own. I'm not a doctor but I hope to be in a few years. If you know anything about steroidogenesis you should know that finasteride doesn't make good reading. DHT is important for the central nervous system and is a precursor to neurosteroids. I've read about bodybuilders who wish to keep their hair while on a cycle of test so they take finasteride. Many complain that it effects their gains. While muscle growth is mainly down to training and T levels, neurological adaptions are important for strength training too. It's actually a complex issue. DHT inhibition effects central nervous signally during exercise so it's certainly not a good idea to be on fin.
My understanding of it is while you'll have slightly higher T levels which is good for muscle growth, you may actually fatigue quicker in the gym as your body becomes less efficient at making the neurological adaptions to more effectively recruit the muscle fibres as you near the limit.
The best example I've heard is one that involves german volume training where many sets are included. The weight doesn't come down but the reps per set do. Squatting for example, might be like: 10,8,6,6,4,5,5,3. When you drop to 4 reps and almost fail, the neurological adaptions kick in which actually allows you go one better the next set. This is where I think DHT may come in. Everything is connected. You have to examine it from a neuromuscular system standpoint to see the whole picture. It's a shame we don't have a good anti androgen topical on the market yet.
I have been on 5 AR inhibitors before and do believe I fatigued quicker. It's a tough call.
Actually just have a quick read of this:
They're saying that:
"The strong interaction between the central nervous system and skeletal muscles, collectively referred to as the neuromuscular system, is of key importance to the athlete. There appears little doubt that the ability of the body to adapt to training and its ability to activate nerve endings in muscle tissue are reliant on the interactions of the neuromuscular system. Inhibiting the formation of DHT during a testosterone cycle may therefore inadvertently interfere with strength and muscle mass gains. That’s why most people complain on the sudden drop in the steroid potency when a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor finasteride to a testosterone cycle."
It makes sense to me.Comment
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I just won my first Mens Physique competition a few weeks ago...been on propecia for about 3-4 month
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Its discussed before. DHT is important for CNS neural adaptations.Comment
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Khalil,
Thanks for taking the time journal you regimen. Its always difficult to get an idea of results from photos alone. Would you say you're further along than expected at this point?Comment
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Even though Im doing 10-15% the dose of Kytheras Clinical trial doses of Seti, Im making good progress and Im excited for Fevi since its orders of magnitude better at inhibiting PGD2.
We shall see.Comment
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not true, ive thickened in areas that were thinning and their is slight regrowth in areas that were slick bald.
you could argue that its not worth the price/results ratio which is a fair argument to make.
But high dose seti is definitely an alternative option for those that want to maintain what they have without taking fin or any other anti-androgen.Comment
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Thanks Khalil,
Jeanluc, If Finasteride is the only option, how do you explain my results? I don't believe that hopeful thinking changes what you see in the mirror, so if Khalil thikns he is seeing progress I am sure that he is. I hope that those trying to keep their hair don't buy into this line of thinking. You have trapped yourself into a lifetime of taking Fin, so I can see how you would have such a narrowed view. For those that are not trapped, there are other very REAL solutions that don't involve pharmaceuticals that carry heavy consequences. I am getting better results by far without them, than a lifetime sentence to them!Comment
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From what I can see with your results, you've either gone backwards or maintained, and not over a particularly long period of time. Your regime also costs over 50 times (literally, that isn't hyperbole) more than finasteride, if you're taking it with a quartered generic proscar tablet. If you are achieving results, it is because you have lowered your alpha 5 reductase 2, in the same way the propecia does so. There is no difference doing this on a hardcore natural regime or on propecia. You will get the same sides on either, however finasteride has more clinical backing, it is cheaper, more effective and only 2-5% of users get side effects.Comment
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If you are referring to my progress, your head is the last thing you need to worry about, a pair of glasses would be much more help. I have at LEAST 30% more hair than 4 months ago, and 100% follicle restoration, that the close-ups make very clear. The darker pigment was never there before, and just as the earlier restored follicles have produced new terminal hair, ALL of the new follicles seem to be doing the same, so as far as time is concerned, it is definitely on my side. Unlike what you have now trapped yourself into, a maintenance routine that will involve at best, slower loss of your hair!Comment
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