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  • uninformed
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 102

    Originally posted by NeedHairASAP
    it's like minox, but not as effective


    which is..... laughable


    So...

    1. dont give a release date for results
    2. give vague date, and miss it
    3. dont get the results of 16 patients out in time for annual report
    4. higher stock pumper then realease sketchy stock disclaimer
    5. finally release shitty results

    conclusion: a complete success?
    Tell me what would they've gained from stock pump?

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    • NeedHairASAP
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2011
      • 1410

      Originally posted by uninformed
      Tell me what would they've gained from stock pump?
      a phase 2


      and who knows what else. ask the SEC


      if there was nothing to gain why'd they hire PR? and a stock pumper PR guy at that...

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      • The Alchemist
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 265

        The placebo groups recieved injections. The wounding process incurred from the injection may be responsible for some the results seen in the placebo group.

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        • uninformed
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 102

          Originally posted by NeedHairASAP
          a phase 2


          and who knows what else. ask the SEC


          if there was nothing to gain why'd they hire PR? and a stock pumper PR guy at that...
          YEP cos they needed the pump for more cash for phase 2.....

          Oh wait, they don't gain additional equity from the secondary market AND they've already secured their funding for phase 2 through private investors BEFORE the "pump".

          Please stop talking if you don't have anything useful to contribute.

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          • clandestine
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 2005

            All in all I find these results rather disappointing. Just my impression, though.

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            • kaandereli
              Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 57

              12% increase in vellus hair.seemingly bad but hope it will compund in 12 and 24 months follow ups.

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              • 534623
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 1865

                Originally posted by The Alchemist
                The placebo groups recieved injections. The wounding process incurred from the injection may be responsible for some the results seen in the placebo group.
                i think you're right. cotsarelis and others could show this effect at least in mice. but could also be just the normal result after six month of any dormant, resting, circulating hairs in the skin. but the same for the real treatment site.

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                • Goldilocks
                  Junior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 4

                  I'm not too clear on the study design, so I'm hoping you'll bear with me and someone can explain. From the press release it sounds like they counted actual hairs on the participants' heads. Obviously hair grows in cycles, and the mere irritation from the placebo injection could have resulted in new growth. I use ketoconazole shampoo for this same purpose. Are they not looking at the actual hair follicle, so see whether existing ones have been plumped up as a result of the treatment, or whether ones that weren't even visible before can now be seen? Thanks for any clarification. I would like to understand all this better.

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                  • 534623
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 1865

                    Originally posted by Goldilocks
                    From the press release it sounds like they counted actual hairs on the participants' heads. Obviously hair grows in cycles, and the mere irritation from the placebo injection could have resulted in new growth.
                    they counted hairs with the here described tool

                    TrichoScan is promoted as a validated and precise tool for measurement of hair growth parameters. Under certain conditions, it may seem suitable for clinical trials evaluating treatment response. We provide evidence that this is an overstatement. This study concludes that TrichoScan-analyzed anagen/ …

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                    • The Alchemist
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 265

                      It's really tough not to get down about these results. Unless there is a dramatic increase in results from 6-12 months (which i'm not ruling out as a possibility, though I think unlikely to see anything major), i can't see how they could justify investing the cash necessary to push this forward. My guess is that they need to get the terminal hair count over the 20% mark to have anything that would warrant further pursuit. They are very, very far from that. So, it would take a turnaround of epic proportions to get them back in line with what David Hall was saying in the interviews. I'm not holding out any hope for that.

                      If the results stay as they are, even if they double what they have, Replicel is finished. They're going to have a hard time attracting investor money with those numbers. And I think that attracting a big corporate buyer is very unlikely. Or if it does happen, it's gonna be at a price that makes David Hall cry. So, depending on the next interim results (12 months) this turkey might be cooked. I'll say it doesn't look good at all.

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                      • UK_
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 2744

                        You have to also remember that Replicel has not figured out 'dosing range' yet - this phase was primarily for safety, when they explore what dose works best I am sure we will see far better results.

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                        • BoSox
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 708

                          Originally posted by UK_
                          You have to also remember that Replicel has not figured out 'dosing range' yet - this phase was primarily for safety, when they explore what dose works best I am sure we will see far better results.
                          I'm glad you're not the only one besides Spencer that has common sense.

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                          • Goldilocks
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 4

                            Originally posted by 534623
                            they counted hairs with the here described tool

                            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21188016
                            Thanks! It's interesting that the study authors conclude that this device is "error-prone" and "awaits refinement".

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                            • john2399
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 527

                              Im just intrested to see what david hall says about this. Anyone know if we are getting the interview tonight?

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                              • gmonasco
                                Inactive
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 883

                                Originally posted by Thinning@30
                                Also, remember that the Replicel injections were to the subjects' temples, which are considered much more difficult to treat than the crown. It could be more effective in other parts of the scalp, we just don't know yet.
                                Since the primary purpose of this clinical trial is safety, I wonder if Replicel chose the temple region for injection because they had some reason to believe that was where any negative health effects would be most apparent?

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