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  • elvispresley
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 115

    #31
    Originally posted by MG63
    Will post in about a week.
    perfect , cannot wait.

    thx a lot

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    • Pate
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2011
      • 427

      #32
      Originally posted by TheNitwon
      Corticosteroids suppress the immune system. Alopecia areata is an autoimmune disease where the immune system attacks the hair, and corticosteroids are used to stop this action. Male pattern baldness is caused by DHT, not the immune system, so corticosteroids wouldn't be effective at all for that.
      There's actually a line of thought that MPB is also caused by the immune system, just with DHT being the cause of the immune system beginning to attack its own follicles.

      That's the theory behind testing Astressin-B injections for MPB since it acts on cortisol. And AFAIK it's not fully understood how DHT binding to a receptor actually damages hair follicles. There has to be an intermediate step (or more than one) in there somewhere. An immune system response is one prime suspect.

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      • hairquest
        Junior Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 16

        #33
        Originally posted by elvispresley
        perfect , cannot wait.

        thx a lot
        YES indeed!...

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        • gutted
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 1398

          #34
          Originally posted by Pate
          There's actually a line of thought that MPB is also caused by the immune system, just with DHT being the cause of the immune system beginning to attack its own follicles.

          That's the theory behind testing Astressin-B injections for MPB since it acts on cortisol. And AFAIK it's not fully understood how DHT binding to a receptor actually damages hair follicles. There has to be an intermediate step (or more than one) in there somewhere. An immune system response is one prime suspect.
          people should have already realised mpb is an immune condition after the release of the study from dr cots...DHT causing minituarisation is one of the biggest myths of all time!
          Androgens are involved but NOT involved in minituarisation and follicular damage!

          Not only can baldness be stopped but it can also be reversed dependant on how badly damaged your follicles are!

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          • 2020
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1527

            #35
            Originally posted by gutted
            people should have already realised mpb is an immune condition after the release of the study from dr cots...DHT causing minituarisation is one of the biggest myths of all time!
            Androgens are involved but NOT involved in minituarisation and follicular damage!

            Not only can baldness be stopped but it can also be reversed dependant on how badly damaged your follicles are!
            ??? explain. Why don't castrates don't go bald then

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            • gutted
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 1398

              #36
              Originally posted by 2020
              ??? explain. Why don't castrates don't go bald then
              i suggest you read a thread started by a poster named misterE on pathogenesis of MPB on HLH, it should help you understand certain similarities between baldness and other diseases and what they have in common...his theory is good but not perfect.

              also understand castrates dont go bald, because they still have andorgens in there system!

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              • 2020
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 1527

                #37
                Originally posted by gutted
                i suggest you read a thread started by a poster named misterE on pathogenesis of MPB on HLH, it should help you understand certain similarities between baldness and other diseases and what they have in common...his theory is good but not perfect.

                also understand castrates dont go bald, because they still have andorgens in there system!
                ok then explain me this:

                how come every man from my mother's side started going bald at almost the exact same age as me?? You're saying they all had some underlying problems? Bullshit. Everyone got to live 80+ with NO health problems

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                • gutted
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 1398

                  #38
                  Originally posted by 2020
                  ok then explain me this:

                  how come every man from my mother's side started going bald at almost the exact same age as me?? You're saying they all had some underlying problems? Bullshit. Everyone got to live 80+ with NO health problems
                  underlying problems...its true, science just hasnt figured it out yet.
                  Genetics also plays a role...but not in the way the majority of people think it does.

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                  • 2020
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 1527

                    #39
                    Originally posted by gutted
                    underlying problems...its true, science just hasnt figured it out yet.
                    Genetics also plays a role...but not in the way the majority of people think it does.
                    you didn't answer my question.... why did everyone go bald in my family even though otherwise they were pretty healthy people? Not enough vegetables and exercise? Not possible. Junk food was non-existent where they lived...

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                    • gutted
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 1398

                      #40
                      Originally posted by 2020
                      you didn't answer my question.... why did everyone go bald in my family even though otherwise they were pretty healthy people? Not enough vegetables and exercise? Not possible. Junk food was non-existent where they lived...

                      They went bald due to excess androgens in a certain region of the scalp that are genetically predisposed to hypersensitivity, which can be influenced/aggrevated by the foods you eat.

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                      • 2020
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 1527

                        #41
                        Originally posted by gutted
                        They went bald due to excess androgens in a certain region of the scalp that are genetically predisposed to hypersensitivity, which can be influenced/aggrevated by the foods you eat.
                        Yes, the gene that makes you follicles sensitive to DHT runs in that family so that's why they go bald but I can assure you that diet has LITTLE to do with it.... are you seriously suggesting that if someone went on a PERFECT diet, MPB process would stop completely?

                        What is MisterE suggesting? Diet + Exercise? All it takes to disprove such theory is ONE counterexample... you wanna go there?

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                        • gutted
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1398

                          #42
                          Originally posted by 2020
                          Yes, the gene that makes you follicles sensitive to DHT runs in that family so that's why they go bald but I can assure you that diet has LITTLE to do with it.... are you seriously suggesting that if someone went on a PERFECT diet, MPB process would stop completely?

                          What is MisterE suggesting? Diet + Exercise? All it takes to disprove such theory is ONE counterexample... you wanna go there?
                          what makes you so sure it is the follicle and not its counterpart?

                          theres a topic on HS, which was bought up to discuss the problematic counterpart.

                          going on a perfect diet ONCE mpb starts will not stop it alone, if the perfect diet was practiced before mpb started it would have helped drastically. (BUT still a perfect diet after mob hits, can still help)

                          misterE joined some of the dots together, one of the possible culprits was identified in that post! if you can control this culprit you can stop mpb! and with a bit of help from certain drugs reverse baldness, (again depending on how damaged your follicles are)

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                          • 2020
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1527

                            #43
                            ^ all this does not mean shit.
                            Castrates NEVER EVER GO BALD. A castrate can eat the worst diet in the world, gain 300 pounds, use hardcore drugs and his hair will not be affected in any way. Now why is that? It's called ANDROGENIC alopecia for a reason.

                            You should just join immortal hairs forum.... everyone there is ditching glutten, using lasers, all kinds of massages and what not and they still go bald just like everyone else.

                            All of your theories are shit

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                            • gutted
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1398

                              #44
                              Originally posted by 2020
                              ^ all this does not mean shit.
                              Castrates NEVER EVER GO BALD. A castrate can eat the worst diet in the world, gain 300 pounds, use hardcore drugs and his hair will not be affected in any way. Now why is that? It's called ANDROGENIC alopecia for a reason.

                              You should just join immortal hairs forum.... everyone there is ditching glutten, using lasers, all kinds of massages and what not and they still go bald just like everyone else.

                              All of your theories are shit
                              ok...but do remember they still have androgens in there body.

                              im already a member...they only know how to stop mpb not regrow hair.

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                              • 2020
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 1527

                                #45
                                Originally posted by gutted
                                ok...but do remember they still have androgens in there body.
                                yes but what remains is not enough to make any dent to your follicles


                                Originally posted by gutted
                                im already a member...they only know how to stop mpb not regrow hair.
                                they don't know jack... whatever new hair pops on their already bald scalp is all in their head.

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