Jason Gardiner's Hair Transplant with Dr. Craig Ziering

[mg39]

I don't mean to sound like a doom and gloom spreader. Far from it but I've busted my ass (as have Spex, Spencer and some others) for years trying to educate patients about what is realistic with hair restoration. Then comes Jason Gardiner and his hair transplant of only 3501 grafts making the million or so people that watched the show think that the cure for aggressive hair loss is here.

I'll tell you one thing, if I were to ever show a result from Hasson & Wong, of myself or any other patient, with even a hint of Toppik or some other concealer you guys would have my hide up on a wall for trying to pass it off as a natural result. Think about it.

Excellent response Jotronic, and I totally agree with you. Six months ago I would have totally believed that these results were attainable and the 3500 grafts that Jason Gardiner received would have simply been an arbitrary number to me. Having researched HT procedures, and taken in the information that is available on this forum, I know that is simply not the case. Unfortunately, when presented with a desperate situation like MPB, people tend to act too quickly without doing the proper research and there are doctors out there that will prey upon their insecurities and desperation. I was in a similar situation just 6 months ago, and thankfully found this site where I could research the process and just as importantly the work of physicians performing hair transplants. This site is riddled with people who have been duped into procedures without being given any guidance on "realistic" outcomes, and unfortunately a great number are going to see Jason's results and think all their problems will be solved at once, only to be disappointed with the outcome.

[genius130]

They said that was 3501 grafts, that looks like a lot more. Can 3500 grafts make that much of a different for a guy who was basically a norwood 6?

[CVAZBAR]

So he still getting a 2nd procedure? Does this mean that he is paying for a Mercedes now? 70gs?

[Spex]

Hi Dr Ziering,

I appreciate your reply and please do not take mine or Jotronics posts as an attack, its more an observation and stating the obvious really based on experience and daily interaction with actual patients who expectations require constant grounding. As i stated previously, kudos to Jason for coming out. No mean feat - takes courage and balls!

Seeing some "cold light of day" pictures from you will help compare and also please upload immediate post op pics too to see coverage and placement that will help - however I strongly believe concealers were worn on the TV interview. If not then where is a another surgery going to be placed..? Why the need? There appears to be no room judging by the sheer coverage and density achieved from round one of only 3500.

The general point i was making and Joe backed me up on here is that at only 8 months it's highly unlikely that density and coverage from only 3500 grafts can be achieved and seems interesting Jason is familiar with concealers such as Toppik and chose to use on "Dancing on Ice" yet disclosed to you he had nothing "on" on "This morning" the TV interview, even though his appearance displayed classic signs ie. full thick coverage.

I have also seen 1000's of ht's in person had 8 surgeries myself and to this day never seen such overwhelming density and coverage from just 3500 grafts. I think Jason was telling you a porky pie (lie) if he said he had no concealer on as you have acknowledged.

The millions viewing the show have now been lead to believe that thats what can be achieved from a HT alone in one session from 3500 grafts from your clinic, which is in my opinion (and Joe's) not the case. If you guys had disclosed the concealer and the need for Jason to embark on a second surgery to the public it would have been a great informative piece.

I appreciate the PR campaign to get the awareness up but from a mentors perspective ( myself and Jotronic ) who deal with patients daily its a shame the real actual life results weren't disclosed - hopefully you can display some pictures of what his hair actually looks like via pictures.

This is only my opinion.

Regards
Spex

[Spex]

Doc,

I am based in the UK - A great way for me and others to be proven wrong and come back on here publicly with an apology is if you can line me up a 1:1 meeting with Jason on his terms (time and location.) I would very much like to view his results even for 1 minute (and meet him as i really like him) in person and report back here and on other forums where speculation resides. The results appear remarkable and i would love to be given the opportunity to see them up close and personal and report back - i hope i can be given the opportunity.

Best
Spex

email :support@spexhair.com

[Jotronic]

Dr. Ziering,

What Spex said was spot on and I appreciate his efforts to clarify his (our) position on this. I too am not attacking because as I have said numerous times Jason looks quite good now and his celebrity status, along with his result, can only help give the HT field the proper exposure it deserves. I could genuinely see his sincerity in his eyes when he was describing what is was like to lose that hat that had been a psychological crutch for the past eight months.

I also have had multiple surgeries, two of which were pluggy 90's tech and four subsequent procedures to correct the old work and to satisfy my hair greed on my NW6 + noggin. To date I have almost three times the amount of transplanted hair as Jason does so I have a pretty good handle on what can be achieved with 3500 grafts.

However I am quite confident that Jason was not being as forthcoming with you/us as he could have been regarding his appearance on "This Morning". I will also like to challenge Jason to a gentlemen's wager. If he can prove publicly that his hair is as full as it was during his initial unveiling without the use of hair concealers then I'll give 1000.00 to the charity of his choice. In exchange he will give 1000.00 to the charity of my choice if it is revealed that his hair is not as full without the use of concealers.

Again, I think Jason's experience is good for the industry (and obviously for him) and I truly wish more celebs would come forth with supporting comments about their own hair restoration experiences. In the meantime we should ultimately embrace the fact that we have taken this small step forward with the open support of someone like Jason Gardiner. In the end we all owe Jason some gratitude. I know I do.

Btw, I will be in London as well in early May so if Jason wants to take me up on my friendly challenge we can get Spex involved too

[PayDay]

Spex and Jotronic, I am a fan of the both of you and I’ve always been impressed with your knowledge on the forum and have been motivated by seeing your great hair transplants, but this is getting ridiculous! To me it sounds like nothing more then sour grapes. Everyone knows that you both work for doctors who go to the UK to sell hair transplants. You yourselves are consultants in the UK. Calling a celebrity out to prove something to, with all due respect, two hair transplant salesman, is a little over the top don’t you think? Why would he meet with two perfect strangers to prove anything? It just seems comical. While you're at it why not see if you can meet up with Lindsay Loahan to prove if her boobs are real or not. Rumor has it that they’re fake.LOL

[Spex]

In respect to this its far from sour grapes. I for one comment and give kudos all over the place to all docs i feel warrant it, run a search.

However you are missing the point Payday.

This result revealed on the TV show, seen by millions portrays this result in a way that is potentially not actually real yet thickened up significantly by means on concealers. If concealers are being used surely they need to be mentioned. If a clinic posted pictures of a patient similar covered in concealer to enhance the result would that not be seen as false representation?


See the video of Jason on the interview. See the density of his hair and how great it appears. Its truly WOW! Any experienced vet knows that 3500 grafts can not give FULL coverage at maximum density as it appears. NO mention of concealers were implied or discussed so people are lead to believe that thats what you can achieve, when in fact it isnt. If concealers had been mentioned , no issue. But they were not.

Hopefully you see the point. We are stating the obvious and trying to help educate - Throwing back at us we are HT salesman is cheap and unfounded. I think Joe and i have proven over the years to be far from that. I do not need to meet him now as i have seen these pictures and its pretty clear concealers were utilised on TV.

See the pics below attached of Jason from the doc site :

You can see that the coverage may well be there , however there is NO top shot, just a slight tilt, so hard to tell but we can see its nowhere near as thick as when he was on TV and thats the point. Therefore if concealers were used should it not be disclosed or should we now expect to see clinics using concealers also to increase and enhance the apperance of an after result without mentioning it?



Regards
Spex

[blowmeup]

Spex and Jotronic, I am a fan of the both of you and I’ve always been impressed with your knowledge on the forum and have been motivated by seeing your great hair transplants, but this is getting ridiculous! To me it sounds like nothing more then sour grapes. Everyone knows that you both work for doctors who go to the UK to sell hair transplants. You yourselves are consultants in the UK. Calling a celebrity out to prove something to, with all due respect, two hair transplant salesman, is a little over the top don’t you think? Why would he meet with two perfect strangers to prove anything? It just seems comical. While you're at it why not see if you can meet up with Lindsay Loahan to prove if her boobs are real or not. Rumor has it that they’re fake.LOL

Very true and VERY funny payday lol I can see it now, Spex and Jotronic meet with Mr. Gardiner in the back room of a pub, sit him in a chair with two bright lights and start interrogating him all the while taking HD video. Ha, ha,ha

Personally I have much respect for this guy and I also appreciate that Doc Z takes time out of his busy day to answer our questions. Most doctors just have their staff come on here. He really seems to care.

[UK_]

That is a great result, I had no idea Dr Ziering was behind Jason's whole media hair loss story lol.. Looks great!

[Spex]

Spin this in whichever direction you want guys. It is what it is.

For the record - We were making newbies and others aware that if they are high NW scales and go for full coverage with 3500 grafts then their result will fall short of Jasons results displayed on TV. Thats the fact of the matter.

I will leave it here. Jasons result is GREAT, no disputing it. Dr Z has done a great job. All we wanted was clarification to help others, however we are now the enemy here. Its no skin off our noses however some people might well be disappointed who believe 3500 grafts is going to achieve what is being portrayed here from HT's alone , thats all.



Peace out.
Spex

[PayDay]

I do get it Spex, and maybe I was a little harsh by calling you a salesman, but essentially that’s what you do for Dr. Feller right? Why try to sugar coat it? There is nothing wrong with being a salesman especially for a doctor like Dr. Feller who is great. For the record I do respect both you an Jotronic, but your posts seemed unprofessional and petty from what I am used to seeing from you and it does come across as sour grapes. Just my opinion, no disrespect intended.

[Jotronic]

I'm not sure how this could be construed as "sour grapes". I think I've mentioned several times that this is a good result. I mean, think about this for a moment. As Spex said, if we were to present a result that had concealer mixed in we'd be strung up and lynched. That is a fact. For Jason, we called him out for the concealer, not the result and the image that Spex has linked to just proves our point. Kudos to the doctor for having the true images on his site. It just shows that it is still a good result even without concealer.

And my "bet" was not made with any real expectation of it being met. I mean come on, I'm not so vain to think that anyone would actually take it very seriously. So, with that said, I consider this case closed. Well done by the doc, good on Jason Gardiner for discussing his case and good on all of you for participating in this discussion. It has certainly been interesting.

And with regards to Lindsay Lohan; brother, there is no such thing as fake boobs. Real skin equals real boobs BOOYAH!!

[UK_]

Spin this in whichever direction you want guys. It is what it is.

For the record - We were making newbies and others aware that if they are high NW scales and go for full coverage with 3500 grafts then their result will fall short of Jasons results displayed on TV. Thats the fact of the matter.

I will leave it here. Jasons result is GREAT, no disputing it. Dr Z has done a great job. All we wanted was clarification to help others, however we are now the enemy here.

All the very best
Spex

Exactly, thats why if you need a HT, you go to Dr Ziering, like he said, he has an artistic approach - doesnt just bung hair from one region to another, credit to the guy, he did a fantastic job.

[CVAZBAR]

I think everyone here has a point. I mean it's true what spex says and the pics prove his hair did not look like that. So I understand their argument. I also can't say I can blame doc Z for anything, since he said he explained everything just like he did hear. He did a great job and can't really say anything more.