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    Quote Originally Posted by Delphi View Post
    I know how desperate you feel, but tattooing your head is a very bad idea. I personally think itís unethical and irresponsible, especially for a doctor to promote this. Dr. Rassman just sees this as a cash grab and itís disgusting! Please donít do this to yourself.
    Well, micro pigmentation (whether for the lips, eyelids, scalp, or whatever) is a cosmetic procedure (as is a hair transplant), so obviously most doctors or practitioners involved with it, are in it for the $. That shouldn't really matter to anyone considering it though. As a person considering scalp pigmentation (or a hair transplant), the most important thing should be how well the service provided will suite your needs. That is the only way to determine if it is a bad idea.

    If scalp pigmentation was able to provide her with the appearance of hair density that she is looking for (and accomplish that at a lower cost than a transplant or other procedure, with less medical risk than hair growth drugs), then I think it would be a very GOOD idea.

    Scalp pigmentation definitely has its limitations (can't grow, wont change color to match your natural hairs potential color changes), but I think it has a lot of potential as well.

    Obviously it's not natural, but no treatment is. Drugs change your bodys "natural" chemical balance. Transplants move hairs from their "natural" positions, etc. None of that matters. What matters, is to make whoever is doing it look (and subsequently feel) better.

    I myself will be having scalp micropigmentation within the next 3 months (just deciding between companies now). I had a face to face meeting with a man who had scalp micropigmentation done over his entire head today, and although I did not examine it under a magnifying glass, it DID look quite natural AND REAL from less than a foot away. He had the very "defined" hairline that I'm not a big fan of with scalp micropigmentation users, but aside from that (which I assume was his choice), his "hair" looked extremely good. Basically, my only issue was that the hairline looked "too good". If any of us had that issue with our hair, I doubt we'd even be posting here anymore lol.

    Additionally, the negative claim often made about SMP being prone to "change color over time" appears to be false. I was concerned about this too, but have found at least one company (one of the best), willing to put it into a written guarantee, that their inks will NOT change color over time (although they may fade to a lighter shade of black or dark grey over time).

    Basically...SMP is not for everyone, but it certainly isn't the devil either lol

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    I've been reading all the posts to do with scalp pigmentation and I talk by experience because I have just had the procedure in london and birmingham and continue to try to sort out what I consider to be a very very poor result from supposedly the biggest clinic in the uk.My story is I had a supposed mega session strip surgery with NHI in athens in 2006 it was a disaster cost me £5500 and all I was left with was a scar from ear to ear that I was told would disappear within four months five years on it is still there I also had some crown work in 2009 from another clinic in london which wasn't very good either so that was £8000 spent as most of you are doing I was looking for anything I look younger than I am I dress really stylishly but I've been losing my hair since I was 21 years old I'm now 42 so I decided to look at smp with the biggest and best clinic in the uk(they also have other clinics abroad)apparently they haven't had a complaint in eight years of doing this which is very impressive so I met them in london and decided to go for it the cost was £3000 as I was quite advanced allthough I did have some hair on the front from my previous strip in athens my conclusion is exactly what delphi says I totally agree with him this is a tattoo end of a few days after I had the first procedure it started fading out delphi was having a debate with I wish I had hair about fading well I can tell you it fades out after a few days its a disaster the inks which are supposed to be more specialised than a normal tattoo(I've never had a tattoo before)run it looks like a blueish green stain running over your head I don't know much about normal tattoo's but I don't think they would start to fade or run within a couple of days its really bad if I went to a tattoo parlour in london I don't think this would happen after a few days the pictures they show on their website are not what I've experienced their crown work is terrible I printed some of their pictures of crown work off the internet and said I want the crown to look like that and the response was we can't do that even though my horseshoe wasn't as bad as in the other photos my response to damnhair is if you haven't had smp yet don't do it honestly its not worth it the practitioners are supposed to be well trained with years of experience yet I've been to birmingham twice and london five or six times and they still can't get it right everytime I ask for a certain thing to be done and they can't seem to do it I come out with exactly the same look as I had before they say don't sweat(how can you stop sweating especially in the summer)don't go in the sun don't do this don't do that in summary as delphi said don't waste your money I know your desperate like I am but look for something else this is not the answer it does fade out very very quickly moreso than a normal tattoo it does run really badly I wish I hadn't done it now and am talking to the clinic now about the way forward they'll show you all the glossy pictures that you see on the website what you need to do is talk to people in person to see the work of the clinic or practioner that is doing your procedure and take it from there personally I think this looks better on dark or afro caribbean type people who only need small areas worked on it doesn't look natural it looks like its been painted on luckily I've got a little hair on top which masks that if you got no hair top and back I would strongly advise against having it done unless you like a matt gloss finish it looks ridiculous and finally no doctor should be promoting smp its all about money at the end of the day I wish I hadn't had it done in the longterm its not a viable solution to baldness don't go there.

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    I also met with the same gentleman in NYC recently and I too believe this to be a clean crisp look and at 52 years old this year I believe this is a viable option.

    I have signed up to have this MHT procedure and I look forward to the freedom that it offers.

    I've met serveral individuals who have had this MHT procedure and its impressive. Its a nice clean totally realistic look. This is my impression from meeting several individuals who have had this MHT procedure done.

    I believe hair transplantation is a valued path for many to take and I believe the HIS MHT procedure is also a viable option.

    Combining the two makes perfect sense for increased density something that many hair transplant doctors have challenges with or create the need for multiple surgery's. MHT can be a valuable tool in decreasing the need for secondary or possibly three transplant procedures...and still achieve a great look. (although the cost quoted in the first post here seems quite excesssive and probably inaccurate)


    All I am suggesting is to keep an open mind to new tools available to hair transplant doctors that might aid them in creating a new and exciting look with a hair transplant...

    I in fact will not be undergoing a hair transplant but rather moving to the clean crisp look of MHT. I did my research and believe this is an exciting way for me to go. I will be having the service completed in NYCity as the office opens this fall. I've already scheduled it with the owner.

    I understand those who prefer the hair transplant or hair transplant surgery and MHT process combined.

    When the day comes that hair cloning is available...which supposedly is possible sooner rather than later...if we are to believe reports..(J/K) then I always have the option of having a hair transplant as well...

    I hope this gives insight to what some of us are considering, what some of us are doing and all I am suggesting is keep an open mind. All the while doing the research for what I believe is a wonderful option..

    The firm I am using has headquarters in England and is opening up services in the United States as well. I have done my research and for those who might consider this MHT process in addition to a hair transplant or instead of....this is the fine organization I personally recommend.

    Hope this helps share information and of course thats what this great site is about.

    JB

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    No i personally just cant give a YES to scalp tattoos even in desperate cases. Sorry its unethical and a lazy way for docs to make more money with less effort.

    Just LOOK which clinics this stuff offer to patient and what age the performing or head surgeons (rassmann) are? You see the thing here. Its just highly unethical, only because those clinics simply missed the train to "Futur treatements" they sell this stuff.

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    Richard,

    I respect your opinion and I hope that as a member of this community for several years I hope you would respect my findings.

    I understand the concerns and of course there are firms that after doing my research I would not use.

    That said. ....I did my due dilegence with the HIS firm out of England, I have personally met with clients who had this service done and I was impressed.

    Misinformation is a dangerous thing. I've done my research, seen those who have had this fine HIS service completed and I'm moving forward with it this fall.

    I have recieved multiple emails from supposedly competing services and their ethics are questionable to say the least.

    I have found that HIS service has a business model and ethics that I can respect.

    Of course having a hair transplant by one of the fine doctors on this site is a wonderful option for many. This was not the case for me after the fine consultations by the well respected doctors on this site.

    I did not feel like going through multiple hair transplant procedures over a period of years. I'm not a model. I don't play one on TV. I beieve I can achieve a very clean crisp low maintaince look using HIS Services.

    I will certainly report back in the fall after I have this fine service completed and will show before and after photos for those of you to examine.

    All I ask is that you be respectful and kind as you view my before and after photos ...

    I do believe from my research that HIS MHT service can assist even the finest hair transplant doctors achieve a fuller, higher density look with some individuals in the near future.

    Keep an open mind...continue on your present path and have a nice day.

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    I can't help but think jt1212 is just another account made by one of the posters recently bashing smp. I hate to say that, because everyones opinion is valuable, but to make a post like that the first day of joining the forum, saying that you agree 100% with another poster who made statements using the same language is a bit beyond suspicious to me =/

    jt1212....If you really are someone who has undergone SMP with a poor result, I'd love to see pics of the procedure (tagged with a piece of paper showing your forum name to prove their authenticity). If your interest is to stop others from making the same mistake you claim to have, that will go a long way. I'll certainly post tagged pictures of myself as well (of the spot test region I've had done now, and my full head once completed)

    Additionally, jt1212 says that he had the work done by the leading firm out of the UK. That can only be HIS. Then he says that the color applied faded to blueish green after a few days. HIS provides a written guarantee that their inks will not fade, or change color for 6 months. I myself have had a spot test done to see how the SMP would look (done on my leg so that I could see it and be comfortable with it prior to application on my head), and that spot test looks exactly the same today as it did the day it was first done. The color is black, and the spots are tiny.

    For all the people posting on here about how SMP is unethical, lazy, etc...not one has provided any reasoning behind those statements. As I've said before...the making money aspect is meaningless. All cosmetic procedures are done to make money (although the firm I've had my SMP done at also does pro bono work). The only thing that matters, is if the procedure looks good, and makes the person who has it feel better about themself. Thats the only way to truly evaluate any cosmetic procedure.

    Who cares how old the person doing the procedure is? If you needed a heart transplant, and the leading cardiac surgeon was 23 while most others in the field were in their 50s, would you choose a lesser practitioner because they were older? Thats just foolish. You choose the person who is best in their field, and who makes you feel most confident that the outcome will be as desired.

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    You simply dont get the point. Next

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardDawkins View Post
    You simply dont get the point. Next
    What point dont I get? If you could explain your position maybe I would "get it" more. As it stands, I'm just responding to what's posted.

    1. People said the ink faded...I explained that written guarantees are provided by the major companies to protect against this.

    2. People have said that the spots are too large..I have said that it is a factor of the practitioners skill, and that many will do a "patch test" to show you the size of the dots before their application to your head.

    3. People say the companies offering this are just in it for the $..I say so is every other company doing cosmetic procedures.

    4. People say it just looks good on the websites, but I've met Ian from HIS clinics IN PERSON, and have had a patch test done at another clinic, where I saw other people who have had it done IN PERSON. I have both met people first hand and had a small bit of SMP done on myself. At this point I think I am at least as well versed in the process as anyone else who has posted here.

    If you cannot explain why you think SMP is such a bad, lazy, unethical, etc., procedure but continue to claim it as such, than I would say that you are either 1. Not familiar enough with the procedure to be making claims about it, or 2. Somehow profiting from the misinformation posted about the procedure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damnhair View Post
    What point dont I get? If you could explain your position maybe I would "get it" more. As it stands, I'm just responding to what's posted.

    1. People said the ink faded...I explained that written guarantees are provided by the major companies to protect against this.

    2. People have said that the spots are too large..I have said that it is a factor of the practitioners skill, and that many will do a "patch test" to show you the size of the dots before their application to your head.

    3. People say the companies offering this are just in it for the $..I say so is every other company doing cosmetic procedures.

    4. People say it just looks good on the websites, but I've met Ian from HIS clinics IN PERSON, and have had a patch test done at another clinic, where I saw other people who have had it done IN PERSON. I have both met people first hand and had a small bit of SMP done on myself. At this point I think I am at least as well versed in the process as anyone else who has posted here.

    If you cannot explain why you think SMP is such a bad, lazy, unethical, etc., procedure but continue to claim it as such, than I would say that you are either 1. Not familiar enough with the procedure to be making claims about it, or 2. Somehow profiting from the misinformation posted about the procedure.
    ok..sorry for my english damnhair...trust me dont go yet for mht...
    i saw Aldemar , Zang, IAN and his head looks GREEN BLUE i been with a really professionist tattooink friend he said to me :i know you want this to work but dots are too large ,fake, they dont have the experience , he told me they use semipermanent ink in this way you gonna have to go years later for touch-up thats why Ian head looks so unnaturall he had done many ..i saw another guy AL which was a costumer now is doing the treatment for you how sound if i had done tomorow a HT few days latter to be your ht doctor and him doesnt look ok he has 40 years old and his shaved head doesnt suit him and of course ppl will tell you why you dont grow your hair coz you dont really look so nice with shaved head lol and wont be nice to see in one day on tv the MHT advert near to your friends ...
    First time when i had the consultation i met there a guy who had done in May and he doesnt feel so good with the treatment he told me his looking for a laser tattoo remove
    he feel the treatment looks to dark , unnatural , dots are to big but acceptable now who knows after few touch-up or the sun, skin , feel allways worried what ppl will think about this if they youll noticed in one day ..
    i did learn my lesson with this experience in the end im going to accept my baldness this was my second : first one i been in a consultation with a very good ht doctor in uk i left without even have a sit coz he had another young guy 22 old before and decided to take him money GOD 22 years old..yes his true is all about the money ..
    they charge you when you had the test ? i am sure yes..expensive of course, why? 10 min for 100 pounds !! thats ok for you to pay for a tattoo concept 600 pounds per hour someone who doesnt know nothing about ART OF TATTOO? or 3000 pounds for all this kind of risk ..
    ive lived in all my live around many dangerous ppl i know what they can do just to take your many here there is no difference ..
    and this is all only our fault there is nothing wrong with a bald man..Take care!!

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    I apprerciate your perspective southeast_eu, but my experience seems to have been a bit different than yours. As I said, I've already had the spot test done, and the dots ARE NOT too large. As far as the color change to blue/green...I know of more than 1 company that provides a written guarantee that this will not happen. HIS clinic is one of them.

    I realize that most SMP clinics use semipermanent inks which fade in 3-5 years, but to me that is actually an advantage. If there is a scientific breakthrough 5 years from now I will be in a situation where I had 5 years of benefit from the SMP, and am back where I started (after it has faded), to consider whatever new treatments are available (without ever scaring my head with a HT, or risking my health with prescription meds). If no better options are available, I can decide at that time to let my hair progress naturally, or touchup the SMP (which they will probably be able to do even more naturally by then).

    Ians head does not look as good as their current clients, because his head has basically been used as the testing ground for all the different inks and needles that they've tried over the years. The dots on his head are therefore in different sizes, and have slight color differences. His wife (who did the procedure on him) explained that to me when I met them. Since Ian had his done, they have advanced their practice quite a bit, but I still feel as though his head looks quite good as it is.

    Still...I did not go to HIS clinics to have my patch test done. I went to a practitioner that had offices closer to me. They DID NOT charge me for the patch test or initial consultation.

    I dont think SMP is a good solution for people with light hair, or people who look bad with shaved hair styles, but if you have dark hair, and look good with your hair shaved with clippers, then I think SMP can be a good solution.

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