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    Quote Originally Posted by Speegs View Post
    The damage is done if one isn't lucky enough to act as soon as they notice hair loss, truthfully I think the best someone can hope to maintain with propecia alone is a Norwood 3.

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    Speegs,

    You're right I guess, most people won't act until they are norwood 3, but then don't you think if you can maintain a norwood 3 is better than going norwood 4/5.
    I find the stats ambigious too, there is a difference in mild regrowth and no regrowth - 74% is a lot - what fraction of this is mild/no regrowth. I keep asking the same question - does those 74% or 90%; not experience anymore loss (entire scalp); or does the hair loss progression carry on more slowly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seraphix View Post
    Speegs,

    You're right I guess, most people won't act until they are norwood 3, but then don't you think if you can maintain a norwood 3 is better than going norwood 4/5.
    I find the stats ambigious too, there is a difference in mild regrowth and no regrowth - 74% is a lot - what fraction of this is mild/no regrowth. I keep asking the same question - does those 74% or 90%; not experience anymore loss (entire scalp); or does the hair loss progression carry on more slowly.
    I'm not an authority on the drug but my personal observations lead me to conclude that the drug is maintenance only and not regrowth. I can tell that my back has been protected since taking the drug but my front has still slowly declined, granted at a slower rate as i've been a norwood 3 for probably five years but am steadily thinner in the front each passing year.

    If I don't get a transplant it seems i will likely end up a norwood 4 in two or three years time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic1st View Post
    Those regrowth statistics sound kind of lousy...74% of all users will experiance only mild or NO re-growth?And thats in the crown??And only 1 out of 50 users will find any re-growth in the front half?

    I guess the 90% of all users are just happy with slowing the loss,but if your in your 30's or older, the damage is done.

    It’s not about your age, it's when you started to bald. If a 40 year old man begins to take Propecia during the first year of his hair loss it can stop his hair loss just like it would a 20 year old man. Being older has nothing to to with it, it when you catch the process.

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    Not sure where those numbers Dr. Arocha mentioned are from. It's obvious that they are not from Merck who produces Propecia. They may be from his own observations and possibly he will clarify.

    I personally believe that Merck's numbers are both under and overstated. I have been making observations myself since the drug became available and my notes in general terms are:

    80% efficiency across the board, meaning 20% keep losing hair. This group is taking Propecia as prescribed.

    As many as 30% of men using finasteride as directed report sexual side-effects. How many within that group are thinking themselves into side-effects or are in fact actually experiencing the physical effects is difficult to ascertain. Only about 50% of the men who note sexual side-effects remain on the drug and many of them experience the side-effects dissipating. Some docs advise their patients to take Propecia every other day and the side-effects may lessen or go away. Again, throw a variable in the equation and it can change the numbers.

    The earlier one begins finasteride, and preferably at the first signs of MPB, the better chances of measurable regrowth. Regrowth however is at best, hit and miss when using finasteride.

    I have observed men who cut Proscar to have very similiar results as those purchasing Propecia. I do this myself however I cannot formally advocate the use of Proscar for two reasons. I am not a licensed physician. I do not attempt to practice medicine. SEE YOUR DOCTOR!

    Unless someone knows something to the contrary, none of Merck's clinical trials have evaluated efficiency in the frontal third section of the scalp. Only the mid-scalp and crown.
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    I need to clarify something I said. I commented on starting Propecia at the first initial signs of MPB, but ONLY UNDER YOUR DOCTOR'S supervision.

    Every now and then I will hear of someone in their teens running to the internet to buy finasteride. Should a 17 year old be starting Proecia because he is starting to notice hairloss? See what I mean?

    Never start any medication without first being examined and counseled by your physician.
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    Default Propecia finasteride side effects

    I have been using Propecia and now Finasteride for about 12 -15 years. I was one of the original users of Rogaine in MD from University of MD. I am 40 years old and have experienced NO sexual side effect and no side effects at all. I know several friends on the medications and no side effects. Rogaine is a difficult though. Your pillows are full of it and need to be replaced frequently and your hair (if you dye it) the alcohol in Rogaine strips the dye and even further dried the hair out. I have had the same hair line now for 20 years. I strated loosing hair bigtime around 20. I noticed No regrowth. But I have had no hair loss in 20 years on these medications and no side effects. Any questions just ask. Oh. Costco best price for monixidal. and if your over 35 your insurance might cover the finasteride. Mine does.

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    Hey Mickie79,

    Just curious --- since Propecia and Finasteride are the same thing, what did you mean when you said that you started using Propecia and then Finasteride? Did you switch to generic Finasteride?

    Also, how do you manage to get your insurance to cover Finasteride? That's pretty sweet! :-)

    By the way -- no sexual side effects for me either. In fact no side effects at all that I have noticed. None!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickie79 View Post
    I have been using Propecia and now Finasteride for about 12 -15 years. I was one of the original users of Rogaine in MD from University of MD. I am 40 years old and have experienced NO sexual side effect and no side effects at all. I know several friends on the medications and no side effects. Rogaine is a difficult though. Your pillows are full of it and need to be replaced frequently and your hair (if you dye it) the alcohol in Rogaine strips the dye and even further dried the hair out. I have had the same hair line now for 20 years. I strated loosing hair bigtime around 20. I noticed No regrowth. But I have had no hair loss in 20 years on these medications and no side effects. Any questions just ask. Oh. Costco best price for monixidal. and if your over 35 your insurance might cover the finasteride. Mine does.

    Mickie79,

    Glad to hear your hairloss has stabilized. The liquid form of minoxidil including the generic brands all contain alchohol (30%) and propylene glycol (50%) which are the inactive ingredients along with 20% purified water. It is the high concentration of the first two that can dry out one's hair and the mess on your pillow is from the oily minoxidil, the active ingredient.

    Have you tried the new 5% foam product? It dries much much quicker without leaving that messy residue behind. Many guys I have talked with tell me it's much better than the liquid form but does cost more. And it's not loaded with alchohol.

    I know what you're stating about one's health insurance paying for other forms of finasteride, primarily a prostrate drug called Proscar which many guys like myself cut four ways. You want to make sure your physician takes into account that you are taking this at a much lower doseage for treating your hairloss. You want your physician to know this before you get checked for your prostrate, PSA test, because the test results can be misleading if one is ingesting finasterdie without your doctor's knowledge. Usually the prostate test is done once the male reaches age 40. Your chart with your PCP as well as your specialist needs to be documented accordingly.
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    I had crazy regrowth in the temples and hairline with propecia. I'm talking about my childhood hairline. It actually started looking a little feminine once I got into my 30's. I think the sooner you get on it and the less severe your hair loss, the better the chance if regrowth in the front. If you're a young nw 2, you might just be able to bring it down a bit.

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    Opinions vary. I dont think its possible to have too much hair. A NW 0 at age 30 basically just makes you look unusually young for your age. I think the biggest downside to hair loss is just it makes you look older. There are NW 0 guys at 35 that could pass for 18 and guys that are 18 that look like they are 40 just because they are badly balding for their age. Everyone though has their own thoughts on that.

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