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    There is a guy on the other site who supposedly tried pretty much exactly this protocol (deep wounding + lithium 8&#37 and then he also tried again with immuno suppresion. he followed the articles and patents as closely as he could.

    He grew absolutely no hair what so ever in both cases.

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    So have they abandoned their "wnt"/gene therapy approach?

    If they've failed on their previous approaches then we're all pretty much screwed b/c this lithium treatment doesn't look at all promising.

    I really wanna find out what they spoke of at that conference, they must have mentioned something about the trial, good or bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK_ View Post
    So have they abandoned their "wnt"/gene therapy approach?
    no one rly knows. their research shows that lithium is the wnt modulator that they use. or thats how i understood it. there are some papers around so if youre interested you can read them. lithium + wounding grew most of hair in mice experiments. thats what i remember from one of the papers.

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    Oh right thanks, yeah sorry im a bit lazy to read up on all their latest releases lol.

    Thanks for the information though.

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    Reading through that whole patent thing makes me feel less comfortable with Follica's treatment. I knew they were using wounding but I always thought it would be very superficial. They say it's dermabrasion which I've heard of before and didn't think caused scaring cos people have it done to re-juvinate the skin on their faces. When you read the conditions to be a test subject it mentions that you can't be susceptible to keloid scaring or hyper-pigmentation though and I've always associated these kinds of scaring with full depth wounds like the type you get from a traditional transplant. The whole reason I'm interested in the new generation of treatments is in part due to the fact that they talk about being minimally invasive - no scaring - so if there's gonna be a risk of getting scars all over your scalp with Follica's treatment then I'm gonna count it out anyway.

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    I'd agree with that. Doesn't sound like a runner to me. I'm now wondering if Histogen and Aderans will supplement each other. That's my hope anyway. Also hopefully Aderans compounds. I was initially under the impression that they would inject the cellular 'seeds' so to speak for individual follicles, as in 90 small injections in 1 square centimetre for 90 follicles, but now I'm not so sure that that's what they're doing. The last presentation I saw made it seem quite similiar to HSC albeit using you're own cells.

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    Well the treatment would fail clinical trial if it created scar tissue, so you wouldn't even have the chance to use it. I doubt we can just write it off on the basis of our 'clinical knowledge'.

    Follica are a highly secretive company, I doubt anyone could even come close to mimicking the process they have spent all this time working on, I do believe they have something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK_ View Post
    Well the treatment would fail clinical trial if it created scar tissue, so you wouldn't even have the chance to use it. I doubt we can just write it off on the basis of our 'clinical knowledge'.

    Follica are a highly secretive company, I doubt anyone could even come close to mimicking the process they have spent all this time working on, I do believe they have something.
    Have they given us any type of time frame at all? I know histogen and aderans say 2014-15 (but who knows with them...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flowers View Post
    Have they given us any type of time frame at all? I know histogen and aderans say 2014-15 (but who knows with them...)
    Not too sure on that one, God knows when/if they will make public the results of their Phase II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK_ View Post
    Not too sure on that one, God knows when/if they will make public the results of their Phase II.
    Oh alright. And are they doing phase II now? Sorry I'm not completely up to date on all of these companies

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