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I came across this one day and wondered if anyone has any experience with it or have any comments? I see topical treatments being discussed occasionally but nothing about this product... is it the real deal? currently on Minox and Fin and experiencing side effects, so would be ideal if this could reduce dht and side effects.
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If you have time for two applications at night, I think you would have better luck applying minox waiting for it to dry, and applying hairmetto after. I don't use minox because it doesn't really work, but am having success with hairmetto, so know its the real deal.
Or if you don't, just buy some azelaic acid and add it to your minox, azelaic acid is about 4 times as effective as fin topically. -
If pharm companies thought that fin could compete with other natural topicals, there would already be a topical solution called FinGaine. Saw Palmetto or Azelaic acid are far superior. Think about it, since it's already being prescribed topically, the very last thing that would be a concern is systemic absorption. it just can't compete, it doesn't work as well to block DHT topicallyn as other things that nourish the scalp, and is probably horrible for your scalp. I think it's the wrong route
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Correction: " since it's already being prescribed topically" .......should be...... "since it's already being prescribed orally"Comment
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ok thanks i'll look into itComment
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Supposedly Hasson Wong have a topical fin that is working well. They can't get FDA approval in the US (costs a lotta monies)
Im not saying topical fin works... but what i am saying is just because its not marketed by one of the big fin manufacturers doesnt mean it doesnt work. There is just not much money incentive for them to do that and if anything it might muddy the waters on the oral stuff/Comment
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Wtf is hairmetto. Sounds like straight up snake oil. Show me the controlled studies on this topical.
Topical fin works at least from anecdotal reports and apparently there's a few studies showing it's efficacy. I believe one study was even performed by merck the developers of propecia.
The debate is whether or not topical fin works only because it gets absorbed systemically or not (this is even part of the reason why the paperwork that comes with ur propecia advises pregnant women not to even touch the drug because it can get absorbed into the blood stream). If it really only works bc of systemic absorption then it's probably easier/less costly to just take oral fin.
Don't listen to the previous poster about that hairmetto crap. Get on proven stuff so you have the best chance to keep ur hair.Comment
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If it was a snake oil, I would call it a snake oil. I am using it and growing hair like crazy, If it wasn't working I'd say "don't waste your time". I use a shower cap and sleep with it on.Comment
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And lol I find it funny how you posted your pics on their amazon reviews. You're either affiliated with the company or getting $ for ur reviews. Shill
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You don't even make sense, if I lose my hair from it I post reviews and picts too, does this make me affiliated? Even if I were getting free products, which I'm not, Why would I want them if they don't work? Of course not! No, I am excited you would be too! It doesn't make sense to me why when anything other than prescriptions and drugs are working, the worst is assumed. I am just an average guy with an average job, who has a routine thats working for me. I'm trying to be helpful. I have at least 10 friends on fin, and its not really working for them, so I decided to go another route and it is working.Comment
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Use in androgentic alopecia
Very few studies exist to support the claims of its efficacy. In a small study of 10 males with AGA (23-64 years) on oral SR, improvement was seen in 60%.[1] In a study of 34 men and 28 women (18-48 years) topically applied SR extract in lotion and shampoo base for three months led to 35% increase in hair density and 67% increase in sebum reduction assessed by sebometry, pH metry, hydration studies and phototrichogram (study presented at the fourth intercontinental meeting of hair research societies, June 17-19, 2004).[2] Addition of extract of 0.5% SR to ketaconazole shampoo was shown to give better results compared to ketaconazole alone (presented at the 13th Annual meeting of the European Hair Research Society, Genoa, Italy).[3]
The problem is that Saw Palmetto is not taken seriously, so when these study's are presented at meetings like this (study presented at the fourth intercontinental meeting of hair research societies, June 17-19, 2004). The Dr's unfortunately are laughed at and discredited, this makes study's like these all that more accurate, as Dr's would prefer to see no results at all with products of this nature.
Please provide a Study that shows topical Fin increasing density by 35% in three months. If one exists it will be very well funded, and easy to find, since the Dr's involved will not be criticized for having their name on it.
I'm just doing what works, because I'm not going to take the road that I know for sure does not. Again 10 friends taking fin, not one of them is all that happy with their results. one of us(me) using SP, nutrition and massage, is very happy with their results, and they continue too!
You don't have to do anything different, I am not necessarily telling you or anyone else they do. I just hope that people don't immediately jump on the Fin bus, because my best guess is that will take them to the same place as my 10 friends. Disappointed
Here's what i've learned of SP it is absolutley essential that it is CO2 extrated. It is virtually worthless if its not. This is what is used every single time in any study involving SP. I had to learn this on my own. Why is that?Comment
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Study 1: invalid; sample size is too small. If you took a basic stats class or looked at enough studies in medical journals at MINIMUM there needs to be a sample size of 20 to make valid and sound statistical conclusions. This study only has half that number so it's garbage.Use in androgentic alopecia
Very few studies exist to support the claims of its efficacy. In a small study of 10 males with AGA (23-64 years) on oral SR, improvement was seen in 60%.[1] In a study of 34 men and 28 women (18-48 years) topically applied SR extract in lotion and shampoo base for three months led to 35% increase in hair density and 67% increase in sebum reduction assessed by sebometry, pH metry, hydration studies and phototrichogram (study presented at the fourth intercontinental meeting of hair research societies, June 17-19, 2004).[2] Addition of extract of 0.5% SR to ketaconazole shampoo was shown to give better results compared to ketaconazole alone (presented at the 13th Annual meeting of the European Hair Research Society, Genoa, Italy).[3]
The problem is that Saw Palmetto is not taken seriously, so when these study's are presented at meetings like this (study presented at the fourth intercontinental meeting of hair research societies, June 17-19, 2004). The Dr's unfortunately are laughed at and discredited, this makes study's like these all that more accurate, as Dr's would prefer to see no results at all with products of this nature.
Please provide a Study that shows topical Fin increasing density by 35% in three months. If one exists it will be very well funded, and easy to find, since the Dr's involved will not be criticized for having their name on it.
I'm just doing what works, because I'm not going to take the road that I know for sure does not. Again 10 friends taking fin, not one of them is all that happy with their results. one of us(me) using SP, nutrition and massage, is very happy with their results, and they continue too!
You don't have to do anything different, I am not necessarily telling you or anyone else they do. I just hope that people don't immediately jump on the Fin bus, because my best guess is that will take them to the same place as my 10 friends. Disappointed
Here's what i've learned of SP it is absolutley essential that it is CO2 extrated. It is virtually worthless if its not. This is what is used every single time in any study involving SP. I had to learn this on my own. Why is that?
Study 2: the only valid one I see.
Study 3: again bad study example as the treatment group used a ketoconazole shampoo that had saw palmetto but it also contained taurine. Who's to say taurine did not play a role?
The point is I could pull up a 5 year finasteride study (official propecia studies) with over 1000 participants showing roughly 85% of users maintaining/regrowing hair.
I could also pull up a a 10 year finasteride study (Rossi et al) with over 100 participants showing roughly 85-90% maintained/regrew.
Your anecdotes of "10 friends" means nothing when there are numerous studies with literally thousands of participants in controlled settings.
To add more fuel to the fire you can get a years supply of fin at Walmart for $24. Your hairmetto stuff costs $70 bux for a 3 month supply and is in the realm of unproven treatments.
Listen, I'm not here to argue. I would just hate to see a young 18 year old kid with hair loss come here and read your posts thinking he's found the cure and a year later be out almost 300 bucks and with less hair. I was a young hair loss sufferer too and initially dabbled with snake oils cuz I didn't know any better and lost lots of hair in the process.
I do hope you have success and if it is working for u- great but don't peddle that stuff around here to people as if it's the next ground breaking cure.Comment
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Thank you.
But you are arguing with me, you asked to see a study for topical Saw Palmetto, so I did. I asked you to provide one for topical Fin and you did not.
Here it is another:
Morganti-P; Fabrizi-G; James-B; Bruno-C. Effect of gelatin-cystine and serenoa repens extract on free radicals level and hair growth. Journal-of-Applied-Cosmetology. 1998; 16(3): 57-64
ABSTRACT: The influence of gelatin-cystine and serenoa repens on hair growth was studied through a long period application (50 weeks) of a new cosmeceutical lotion. On 48 volunteers (24 women and 24 men) aged between 21 and 38 years, affected by androgenetic alopecia (type III and IV according to Hamilton). 12 subjects also took a diet supplement (4 pills per day) based on gelatin-cystine. The solution and the diet supplement (placebo and active) were assigned in a randomized double-blind manner. Hair mass and the mean hair number were controlled according to Price et al. Exclusion criteria included use of topical or oral drug or diet supplement within the previous six months. The obtained results showed an increase of hair mass from 20 to 30% (p<0.005) together with a contemporary increase of hair number (from 17 to 27%) (p<0.005) compared to the placebo for subjects using the lotion only. With the diet supplement a further increase of 50% (p<0.005) in hair growth and a significant decrease of blood ROS (Reactive Oxigen Species) were obtained.
My head that I look at every day confirms the study was just fine!Comment
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