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    film Current Advancements in The ARTAS Hair Transplant System - Dr. Craig Ziering

    ARTASís four prong 19 gauge needle (.9mm punch) is considered a groundbreaking, technological achievement and advancement in the dissection of fully intact and FUE grafts. By virtually eliminating the tension that is normally required during the FUE dissection process, this latest advancement has the potential to greatly improve overall graft survivability rates as well producing grafts that have greater overall full growth potential compared to both manual or motorized FUE.


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    that's awesome! Seeing hard work and dedication resulting in advancements and happiness is so rewarding. Working out the manufacturing line, 4prongs needles and 6mm punch both 18g and 19g will be available soon to all ARTAS Users...stay tuned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe Zingaretti, PhD View Post
    that's awesome! Seeing hard work and dedication resulting in advancements and happiness is so rewarding. Working out the manufacturing line, 4prongs needles and 6mm punch both 18g and 19g will be available soon to all ARTAS Users...stay tuned
    Gabe, what do you believe the ultimate gage (size vs transection rate) is, and do you think ARTAS will go smaller than 18g punches in the future.

    Also, is there a way to invest in the company?

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    Hi Occulus:

    couple of clarifications around ARTAS Terminology:

    18g = 1mm
    19g = 0.9mm

    we measure needles in gauge not in millimeters simply because historically needles are measured in gauge.

    As far as I have tested and documented internally 18g and 19g give you the same TX rate, however, that doesn't mean you can just drop the 18g needles all togethers. On some patients you will get better results with 18g and on some they are equivalent thus you may as well use the 19g.

    Conceptually my recommendation is to always start with 19g needles. Also don't forget as you start using smaller needles your grafts becomes thinner and more delicate thus techs qualification becomes more crucial

    In regard to smaller needles for ARTAS we are looking into 20g 0.8-0.85mm. There are two ways to get to that mm size either by finding a 20g tube or a thick wall 19g and then grinding it down. We will see what we end up, the lead time for the steal is 12 weeks so I won't have anything for another 2 months.

    In regard to your last question I will send you a personal note as I have to seek internally the proper way to answer

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    Great video! Spencer really makes everything so clear. I think the doctors who are using technicians are too lazy to learn to do FUE themselves and too cheap to buy the artas. That was a scary story he told about the technician destroying so much hair. I bet this is more common then is talked about. I mean how would a person really know? Usually if someone posts that they got no growth the doctor blames the patient, but it was probably because the clinic destroyed the grafts by using cheap help.

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    Any updates on this? I can't wait to see how far this advances.

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    Oculus in regards to the latter part of your question..i'd be more then happy to answer/facilitate as I'm one of the largest shareholders in the company.
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    From what I have been hearing on The Bald Truth show, it seems like the ARTAS advancements have been pretty impressive, but like Dr. Bauman points out, the robot is only as good as the doctor who is running it. I like the idea of it, but I would only consider an IAHRS surgeon who knows what they are doing and has had a great deal of FUE experience. As Iím learning more, it seems like techs still carryout the bulk of the important work like placement of grafts and pulling them from the scalp once they are cut out by the robot. If the doctor and their staff donít know what they are doing, even if the robot is more accurate(which we donít really know if it is) in cutting, the grafts can still be mishandled by the techs and the graft placement can be poor if the doctor does not have the right training. I think there are only a few IAHRS doctors who use it, but they are real pros and further refine the grafts after extraction and have the experience to know when the robot is appropriate to use on a specific patient. I notice that in this video https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/thread...ant-DocuSeries Dr. Arocha who has an ARTAS chose to use a hand punch for this patient, so Iím assuming ARTAS was not appropriate for this person. Only a real expert would know that, so the advancements are very cool, but it looks like the best doctors have different tools for different people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PayDay View Post
    From what I have been hearing on The Bald Truth show, it seems like the ARTAS advancements have been pretty impressive, but like Dr. Bauman points out, the robot is only as good as the doctor who is running it. I like the idea of it, but I would only consider an IAHRS surgeon who knows what they are doing and has had a great deal of FUE experience. As Iím learning more, it seems like techs still carryout the bulk of the important work like placement of grafts and pulling them from the scalp once they are cut out by the robot. If the doctor and their staff donít know what they are doing, even if the robot is more accurate(which we donít really know if it is) in cutting, the grafts can still be mishandled by the techs and the graft placement can be poor if the doctor does not have the right training. I think there are only a few IAHRS doctors who use it, but they are real pros and further refine the grafts after extraction and have the experience to know when the robot is appropriate to use on a specific patient. I notice that in this video https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/thread...ant-DocuSeries Dr. Arocha who has an ARTAS chose to use a hand punch for this patient, so Iím assuming ARTAS was not appropriate for this person. Only a real expert would know that, so the advancements are very cool, but it looks like the best doctors have different tools for different people.
    Itís quite disturbing to see a major shareholder in the ARTAS company soliciting anonymous people on a public message forum to help ďfacilitateĒ them to invest in a company. Iím not even sure of the legality of this, but as someone who has been around these forums for many years, this reeks of desperation and should give people pause. History dictates that any doctor or company that has come on hair loss forums (think Dr. Nigam and that other company, forgot the name) looking for money or trying to help people ďfacilitateĒ direct contact to how to invest in technology has never turned out well.

    I was really hoping ARTAS was the real deal, based on Spencerís show and that it just made sense to me. but Iím now thinking that it probably wonít amount to much. The only things I read on other forums now are negative and there are only 4 or 5 respected doctors on this forum who post ARTAS results. So while they are getting good results with it, I agree that itís probably because they know what they are doing in general. The results on the ARTAS website have photoshopped backgrounds and they look like they are the type of pictures from Bosley or something, so all we have to go on is what is being posted here and most of the doctors here who use ARTAS show more results from either strip or FUE using another instrument. No disrespect to Spencer, I believe he thinks that this technology has great potential and he is the only person I really trust, but all signs point to ARTAS not being able to really make much of an impact, if the largest shareholder with 1 post to his name is coming on here trying to raise money, that is a really bad sign for the future of this technology.

    Joe Tillman, I know you read this forum, can you ask Spencer what he thinks about this on the show, Iíd be very interested to hear his response. Thank you.

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    It's far more profitable for a Doc to talk a patient into any other procedure besides ARTAS. That's because ARTAS gets $1 for every punch. Not to mention the fact that these machines cost doctors 1/4 million dollars. I'd bet the company is not as cash strapped (at least their financials don't indicate so) as you think.

    I had multiple docs try and steer me away from the ARTAS, completely based on cost/ profit. It's a buisness man, docs gotta make their Tesla payment.

    Lastly, I'm not aware of any industry where robots do a lesser job than humans and professionals continue to buy them. Robots are doing actual life saving surgeries currently too.

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