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    Exclamation Masturbation can cause more hair loss/DHT to those who are genetically prone to it.

    Hello everyone,

    First of all, please read to the end before posting your opinion about how shit this is. I am here to show you information that might help you. I am benefitting nothing from it.

    I want to show you two studies. Study #1 shows that orgasm leads to significantly more DHT. Study #2 is about a boost in the 5-alpha-reductase, so also more DHT. There are more studies about this, but I will just talk about two.

    Let's start with study #1:
    Endocrine effects of masturbation in men.
    The levels of pregnenolone, dehydroepiandrosterone (DHA), androstenedione, testosterone, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), oestrone, oestradiol, cortisol and luteinizing hormone (LH) were measured in the peripheral plasma of a group of young, apparently healthy males before and after masturbation. The same steroids were also determined in a control study, in which the psychological antipation of masturbation was encouraged, but the physical act was not carried out. The plasma levels of all steroids were significantly increased after masturbation, whereas steroid levels remained unchanged in the control study. The most marked changes after masturbation were observed in pregnenolone and DHA levels. No alterations were observed in the plasma levels of LH. Both before and after masturbation plasma levels of testosterone were significantly correlated to those of DHT and oestradiol, but not to those of the other steroids studied. On the other hand, cortisol levels were significantly correlated to those of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione and oestrone. In the same subjects, the levels of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione, testosterone and DHT, androstenedione and oestrone. In the same subjects, the levels of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione, testosterone and DHT in seminal plasma were also estimated; they were all significantly correlated to the levels of the corresponding steroid in the systemic blood withdrawn both before and after masturbation. As a practical consequence, the results indicate that whenever both blood and semen are analysed, blood sampling must precede semen collection.
    Link to study #1: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/135817


    Study #2 is something I wrote, with real studies to back it up:
    As a balding young man, I have done alot of research and I've learned alot about DHT. To keep it short; more testosteron(stopping PMO) does not directly mean more or less DHT. Here is why:
    Testosteron is converted to DHT by the 5-alfa-reductase enzym. However, since the conversion is done with a ezyme, more testosteron does not mean more or less DHT. Since an enzym can do 'this' much work.

    What I do know about MPB and masturbation is the following.
    When you orgasm you hit a dopamine peak. When the dopamine is at it's peak the hormone prolactine will shoot up. This is also the hormone that makes you makes you not want to masturbate again right after your first one session. Prolactine can contribute to more hair loss, since it will make the 5-alfa-reductase enzym go nuts and convert alot of testosteron to DHT.

    This can be one extra hair or a few hunderd, this is not known since there is no study done to measure this.

    TL;DR: high dopamine spike --> release of prolactine --> 5-alfa-reductase enzym goes into overdrive --> more testosteron getting converted to DHT = less testosteron left and more DHT, so more hair loss
    Study about study #2: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11835982


    So what does this mean?
    Masturbation causes more DHT, and a more converting 5-alpha-reductase enzym, which also means more DHT. For me, and everybody else on this forum, this is means that we will lose more hair. I don't know if it is one hair over ten years, or ten hairs in a week. I just know that it will, since the studies are there. This however does not mean that stopping masurbation leads to getting a full head of hair again, it just means you will lose it slower.

    What do you guys think?

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    Anecdotally I agree with your hypothesis 10000% in my experience

    Crazy

    People are in denial and don't want to admit it imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by failly View Post
    Hello everyone,

    First of all, please read to the end before posting your opinion about how shit this is. I am here to show you information that might help you. I am benefitting nothing from it.

    I want to show you two studies. Study #1 shows that orgasm leads to significantly more DHT. Study #2 is about a boost in the 5-alpha-reductase, so also more DHT. There are more studies about this, but I will just talk about two.

    Let's start with study #1:
    Endocrine effects of masturbation in men.

    Link to study #1: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/135817


    Study #2 is something I wrote, with real studies to back it up:


    Study about study #2: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11835982


    So what does this mean?
    Masturbation causes more DHT, and a more converting 5-alpha-reductase enzym, which also means more DHT. For me, and everybody else on this forum, this is means that we will lose more hair. I don't know if it is one hair over ten years, or ten hairs in a week. I just know that it will, since the studies are there. This however does not mean that stopping masurbation leads to getting a full head of hair again, it just means you will lose it slower.

    What do you guys think?
    Why does it always say masterbation and NOT sex? What exactly happens between the two processes in the gonads that's physiologically different? I am on DUT, so just let my bastard body try to produce more DHT. haha... I am not sure about this. This has been debated on forums for years and the usual opinion is that the rise in DHT is negligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesst11 View Post
    Why does it always say masterbation and NOT sex? What exactly happens between the two processes in the gonads that's physiologically different? I am on DUT, so just let my bastard body try to produce more DHT. haha... I am not sure about this. This has been debated on forums for years and the usual opinion is that the rise in DHT is negligible.

    Sex does the same, since you also reach orgasm. But the difference is that you probably masturbate more than you have sex, especially when you're in your younger years.

    For study #2 it's a bit different, since it is about dopamine release. Both masturbation and sex release dopamine, but your brains will probably release more dopamine when you masturbate than sex. This is because most men masturbate with porn. There are so many video's and fetishes online that you literally can spend hours in front of your computer to search for that 'perfect' video, while dopamine is being released the whole time. While sex is shorter than the proces of finding a video, masturbating and reaching orgasm.

    To keep it short: you probably masturbate more than you have sex, and the session that releases dopamine is also longer if you are masturbating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by failly View Post
    Sex does the same, since you also reach orgasm. But the difference is that you probably masturbate more than you have sex, especially when you're in your younger years.

    For study #2 it's a bit different, since it is about dopamine release. Both masturbation and sex release dopamine, but your brains will probably release more dopamine when you masturbate than sex. This is because most men masturbate with porn. There are so many video's and fetishes online that you literally can spend hours in front of your computer to search for that 'perfect' video, while dopamine is being released the whole time. While sex is shorter than the proces of finding a video, masturbating and reaching orgasm.

    To keep it short: you probably masturbate more than you have sex, and the session that releases dopamine is also longer if you are masturbating.
    and the more you lose hair, the more you avoid real women and thus, the more you masturbate = MORE hair loss.. IT'S A PERPETUAL F*CKING CYCLE. That's it, I am just cutting off my balls.

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    Great thread and just what I needed to read and see.

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    This always pops up every few months. Can we just make it a sticky or something (no pun intended)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesst11 View Post
    and the more you lose hair, the more you avoid real women and thus, the more you masturbate = MORE hair loss.. IT'S A PERPETUAL F*CKING CYCLE. That's it, I am just cutting off my balls.
    I just want to point out that before you cut off your balls, you might want to look into selling them to science instead. I read the other day you can get $35k for one of those bad boys....

    I am a patient advocate for Dr. Parsa Mohebi in Los Angeles, CA. My opinions/comments are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Dr. Mohebi and his staff.

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    HAHA omg James and Hemo you both killed me, at least we have humor. (Of course, until we find out that humor leads to higher DHT levels)

    Anyway, I have to agree with failly.
    I've known all along about this because every morning after a "session night" I could see and feel the difference.
    And when I just don't masturbate for a while, I can also feel the difference.
    It's not like everything is perfect when I don't or so bad when I do, but you just know.
    Only thing that can be done is to try 'not to do it too much' which is easy for me because anyway I don't do it much (after a lot of training), but I'm pretty sure that most men do it on a daily basis, as Jerry Seinfeld stated:
    "It's like shaving."
    And that's the thing about masturbation to hair loss sufferers, it's like candies, you want to have 300
    but you know it's not good for you. "Life isn't fair" is an understatement.

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    For a long time baldness has been looked at as "ugly" by default... bald people just "look" unhealthy...

    (unfortunately) recently are we finding baldness is tied to all sorts of other problems.

    Baldness is basically an evolutionary signal that you have bad genes... prone to prostate cancer, less virility, hormonal imbalances..... will you have all of them? Not always. But i guarantee-- on average-- that balding (especially young balders) have dramatically poorer genes when going head to head with non-balders on things like prostate cancer, pace of aging, hormonal imbalances... I wouldn't be surprised if balders lost head-to-head in every category (I'm talking on average over the entire population on earth... not on between you and one other guy at work).

    not always, but on average...

    So you have to ask... is baldness ugly because of nurture? Or nature?

    It's painful to say it, but baldness is nature's way of telling the opposite sex to "stay way"...but unlike gravity... this isn't a cut-in-stone law of nature (or we wouldn't be here)... just an evolutionary trend.


    In the last 11k years women haven't had much power and not much choice in who the procreate with... only with the recent advent of facebook etc. have they been able to run into potential partners beyond they're hometown or who they happenstance to run into at college or while out on the town one night.

    less choice = bald guys still getting laid.

    But that's all changed.... it's only a matter of time until they put us on the endangered species list in between a polar bear and a rare amazonian flower.


    Just remember... you dont just LOOK unhealthy... you ARE unhealthy!

    The reason I say this is.... if it was ideal for a cave woman to have a male mate who doesn't have 100 children....it would make sense that baldness was a signal to woman that the man was either

    a. unhealthy, or

    b. had a bunch of children


    So from an evolutionary standpoint, it's not crazy that masturbation could lead to baldness...

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