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    Quote Originally Posted by HairTransplantOops View Post
    doinmyheadin, from the research i have done on scar width following fut surgery we are still on the low end of width and it could be far worse.
    Yes I agree, thank god. The 1mm scars are the trophy results posted by FUT doctors.

    Guys thanks for the replys and thanks EJJ and Arfy I know you guys have been through a lot.

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    I have been on these forums for over 15 years now. ill bet and I've seen hundreds of cases throughout the years presented by GREAT doctors as well as POOR doctors.

    I've seen doctors I wud not go to if it was free perform FUT and leave the patient with a perfectly healed 1mm scar and I've seen doctors leave the patient with a stretched scar that needs FUE to repair them. I'm referring to the doctors who have an extensive waiting list. do u have a waiting list? IDN I'm asking?

    you state that its YOUR experience and that shud somehow mean more then observing 100's if not thousands of HT procedures over the years that simply refutes wat u are saying so no ur own personal experience its not more valuable to be honest.

    or maybe ur saying that ur skill level is just better then any other doctor on the planet and therefore ur patents are not subject to a widened scar. You or any other doctors can predict how a patient is gonna heal.

    plenty of ppl seek out FUE doctors to repair their FUT scar and their often from top notch doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Emre Karadeniz, MD View Post
    GNX,

    There is nothing to agree or disagree in what I am saying. These are my experiences and I just wanted to share them. You may choose not to believe me, that's another thing. You may have seen more results that were not so good, but this doesn't disprove my claim. Also I would appreciate if we could be civil in the way we talk and not call each others opinions 'absolute nonsense'. The MOST important determinant of the quality of a strip scar is DEFINITELY surgical technique. We are now comparing the results you have seen from various doctors with my experience from my own results and those from surgeons that I consider as experts. The latter is obviously more valuable assuming everyone is honest. I believe in the results you have seen, however what you may not know is that most 'known' doctors do not have a good technique to consistently get scars 1mm or less. There are surgeons that I know that can do this, but I will not name them without their permission.
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    Hi GNX,

    I don't understand how looking at pictures of different results from different clinics disqualifies what Dr. Karadeniz has said he has experienced in his own clinic. I also don't understand how his statements about his OPINION on donor wound closure is justification for you to say that you don't like his results. What does your opinion about his results have to do with his opinion on donor wound closure? Dr. K does have a waiting list but what does any of this have to do with anything?

    you state that its YOUR experience and that shud somehow mean more then observing 100's if not thousands of HT procedures over the years that simply refutes wat u are saying so no ur own personal experience its not more valuable to be honest.
    Actually, it should. You looking at pictures is irrelevant to the experience that a surgeon has in his own OR. Let's be honest here, the comparison is silly. I've read for several years how patients have had sexual side effects and other sorts of side effects from Propecia. I've met them in person in the various clinics I've worked in and I've spoken to them live on the show (The Bald Truth). I've been taking it myself for thirteen years. Does this mean that my own personal experience, side effect free, is null and void because these other people have a different experience?

    or maybe ur saying that ur skill level is just better then any other doctor on the planet and therefore ur patents are not subject to a widened scar. you see that where ppl raise the BS flag cause not YOU or any other doctors can predict how a patient is gonna heal and to infer that YOUR patients will never have a scar that stretches is yes absolute NONSENSE!
    You're putting words in his mouth. Dr. K didn't say that his patients are not subject to having a widened scar. He said that he's had cases where the scar wasn't as it was hoped or predicted and he notched them up to having healing characteristics that didn't allow for the intended result. He has also said that while some of the "top" doctors do not have the best surgical technique there are some that do but he doesn't want to start rattling off names because it is irrelevant.

    One of the things you are completely mistaken about is that Dr. K is arrogant. I can attest it is abslutely the opposite. The man has very little ego when it comes to his abilities. He is as black & white as they come. And I'll say this; I too have been on the forums for 15 years but instead of looking at pictures the whole time, I've been in the OR studying how donor wound closure is done. I know about as much as anyone can possibly know without having actually performed the surgery with my own hands. I've been speaking face to face with patients that have great experiences and those with horrible experiences and on top of it all I have been looking at the same photos that you have been looking at online. I've seen many doctors perform their own procedures and I've seen the best and the worst of EVERY top name in the business. I can say with ABSOLUTE authority that Dr. Karadeniz has a donor wound closure technique that will rival ANY hair transplant doctor on the planet and will in fact surpass most. He doesn't take big risks by taking 3cm donor strips and he doesn't try to set new records. Is he perfect? No, but he is no less perfect than anyone else out there and it is his qualities as a surgeon AND his ethics that tell me he's a doctor to keep an eye on. I'm a free agent and I can work with most anyone I want to work with. I choose to work with Dr. K because I believe in him, his ethics and his abilities and I'm here to say that he's damned good with a donor wound closure. I've seen it first hand.
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    Default Highly consider FUE to revise the linear scar

    You should treat the scar by improving its appearance with FUE but first consult with a specialist who is methodical in FUE repair. You want to ensure that you utilize the available cell therapies to give the grafts the most optimal of conditions to grow. Don't attempt to have a typical 'revision' because this will only likely result in 'stretchback' and make matters worsen. Highly consider FUE to revise the linear scar.
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    Here’s what I think and I have been on these forums for 13 years, originally researching my hair transplant options on another forum that I still have an account on but much prefer the atmosphere of this forum.

    Surgeons will only post their best results and unhappy patients show and complain about the bad results. I have seem too many hair transplant pictures and videos to count and as popular as this forum is, only a very small percentage of hair transplant results can be found on this and other forums compared to the thousands of hair transplants performed every year. No one who just reads these forums or who has had a couple of bad hair transplants has the knowledge of people who are actually doing the surgery. There are good doctors, bad doctors and doctors who have been so hyped on these forums that everyone just believes they are great, even when they might just be mediocre at best.

    Dr. Karadeniz responded to the OP’s question and everyone else’s replies based on his personal experience. He can just as easily fill in scars with FUE grafts as do a scar revision, but if a doctor with far more experience performing surgery than any typical poster on this forum, believes that in his hands this might be the best approach, depending on the case, then personally I would trust his advice over any of yours.

    Joe Tillman is also in a much better position to give advice than most people on these forums. As someone who enjoys posting his opinion on this forum also, I can understand that we all have our biases, but anyone who cannot voice their opinion in a civil, logical manner is someone who should just be ignored. The lack of common courtesy and disrespect displayed on some of these forums is disgusting and only interferes with the ability for people to do real research.

    If I were the OP I would be grateful that Dr. Karadeniz took the time to give such an in-depth response. As for the people who spend so much time trying to act like experts or be nasty on these forums, they should just be ignored and seen as the trolls that they are.

    I also have to say that I am disappointed that a representative of a doctor would post such a dogmatic response like “Don’t attempt to have a typical ‘revision’ because this will only likely result in ‘stretch back’ and make matters worsen.” without even seeing pictures of the scar. Perhaps Dr. Mwamba himself should post his opinion once he has the chance to actually see what this person is working with?

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    Hi, I have seen a few of Dr Mwambas cases online. My scar is about 3 years old. I dont want to go through a revision, it was bad enough having to be a hermit for 5 months following my first two FUT transplants. I fell for the graft survival rate and the scar will only be 1mm wide (with my dark hair and dense donar I thought I would be a good case) at a number 4 to 5 clipper in good sunlight you can see a light patch along the length of the scar.

    As I said earlier I have been to probably the most popular doctors in the industry, so I dont think a scar revision will improve my situation much. And I dont want to be cut up again and have to go through all the healing and paranoia again.

    With fue into the scar do you think it will be possible for me to cut down to a number 3 clipper and the scar not be noticeable at this length? And also when the hair is saturated wet will it be camouflaged? Again thanks for the reply

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    Yes, I would always advise against having a hair transplant. It is without doubt the worst decision I have ever made. I am sure that many others
    would agree with this but do not post due to the legal waivers, that are more common than most would like to admit, that exist between Dr and client.
    Regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Emre Karadeniz, MD View Post
    With todays refined techniques and knowledge on how wounds heal favourably, a strip scar should be 1mm or less in width.

    Having said that, unfortunately the most frequent cause for a bad strip scar is poor surgical technique. Unfavourable healing characteristics of the patient is a rare cause.

    When a patient enquires with a bad strip scar the first thing I do is to ask who did the procedure. If the surgeon isn't someone that I know with an excellent surgical technique I will assume the cause is poor technique. In this case the most effective surgical treatment is a scar revision that involves a direct excision of the scar and closure with the best possible technique.

    FUE grafting and SMP have limited efficiency in these situations as they do nothing to remove the existing scar. They only camouflage the scar to some extent. I will consider these methods only when I know the previous procedure was done by an expert and I suspect that the patient has unfavourable tissue healing characteristics, or when a proper scar revision is done with success and I still want to improve the camouflage.

    In my experience, there hasn't been a single case when I did a scar revision and the scar didn't improve. The results ranged between complete disappearance of the scar to a significant improvement. There were a couple of cases where the scar improved but with less effect than I expected. I diagnosed that these patients had unfavourable tissue healing characteristics. I had an interesting case where both a body hair transplant and SMP on the scar done by reputable surgeons were not effective and a scar revision done by myself that removed all of these with the scar led to a significant improvement. The previous interventions had actually increased scarring and made it more difficult to do the repair.
    Very well put. I must ask, however, in which of the repair cases you performed, did the scar completely disappear?? how is this even possible? Did hair actually grow through the scar tissue? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Emre Karadeniz, MD View Post
    Until now I was sharing general advice on how to approach strip scars based on my experience. I did not advice you on a certain method yet since I did not have the chance to evaluate your scar. Nor did we see any close up photos of the scar. Without the chance of seeing the state of your scar, without considering who did the procedure and without evaluating donor skin laxity I don't think any surgeon should give you advice on which treatment method is best for you.

    2-3mm width is a critical number. It may deserve either of the three options: Not doing anything if it is camouflaged well, doing a scar revision or FUE grafting.

    If you asked me to deal with the scar, I would give you these general information and advice you to make the final decision when I have the chance to examine you live.

    I hope me chiming into the thread that was silent for 2 weeks has generated a fruitful discussion to help you.
    Dr. Karadeniz,

    I would like to thank you personally for your input in regards to my situation. As you can tell many of us can get bent out of shape when your opinion/experience does not coincide with ours. Yes, I am sure that surgical technique has a lot to do with it and am glad that you are having great results with your FUT procedures. Here is a pic of the back portion of my scar which I likely should have included earlier to further facilitate your input. Again, thank you for giving me advice.

    Regards,

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