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    Just because native americans lack the genes for baldness it doesn't mean environmental factors have no effect on people with those genes.
    They might, but the point is that this is an endless game of useless speculation subject to confirmation bias and all the other types of problematic thinking that plague amateur science. The variables are seemingly endless. Think about it. How do you know any of the Japanese people with great hair that you saw on your trip in fact had any of the genes associated with baldness? How do you know they had better diets? Did you follow them around to observe how they ate? For an extended amount of time? I see lots of sumo wrestlers that seem to have great hair. Maybe the baldness genes are less prevalent there. Of course, baldness was common enough in pre-war Japan that that there's no shortage of bald men depicted in their art and some of the pioneering work in hair transplantation was performed there. Until actual science describes a plausible causal mechanism and thoroughly documents it, you are just going to drive yourself crazy with this type of thinking. Furthermore, it is this sort of thing that scammers love. Take some speculation or vague correlation and use it to sell all kinds of useless supplements and fad diets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinning@30 View Post
    They might, but the point is that this is an endless game of useless speculation subject to confirmation bias and all the other types of problematic thinking that plague amateur science. The variables are seemingly endless. Think about it. How do you know any of the Japanese people with great hair that you saw on your trip in fact had any of the genes associated with baldness? How do you know they had better diets? Did you follow them around to observe how they ate? For an extended amount of time? I see lots of sumo wrestlers that seem to have great hair. Maybe the baldness genes are less prevalent there. Of course, baldness was common enough in pre-war Japan that that there's no shortage of bald men depicted in their art and some of the pioneering work in hair transplantation was performed there. Until actual science describes a plausible causal mechanism and thoroughly documents it, you are just going to drive yourself crazy with this type of thinking. Furthermore, it is this sort of thing that scammers love. Take some speculation or vague correlation and use it to sell all kinds of useless supplements and fad diets.
    Ok, so when it suits your purposes you can use subjective indicators like bald men in japanese paintings over a real scientific study? By the way, those bald men are shaved to look that way because believe it or not that was an ideal there at one point.

    How do you sell NOT eating as often? Must be the least lucrative scam I ever heard of.

    Isn't it more likely that the big pharmaceuticals don't do alot of research on this topic precisely BECAUSE there is no money to be made from telling people to fast?

    Or have I completely missunderstood the basic principles of market economy?

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    Ok, so when it suits your purposes you can use subjective indicators like bald men in japanese paintings over a real scientific study?
    It is no more scientific than traveling to Japan making a few observations and trying to extrapolate something from that. Therein lies the problem.

    By the way, those bald men are shaved to look that way because believe it or not that was an ideal there at one point.
    Incidentally, a friend of mine does post-production for a famous Japanese rock musician. One of his duties includes making sure the guy's bald spot is never visible in concert videos. Japan is after all home to one of the world's biggest wig manufacturers.

    Isn't it more likely that the big pharmaceuticals don't do alot of research on this topic precisely BECAUSE there is no money to be made from telling people to fast?

    Or have I completely missunderstood the basic principles of market economy?
    You vastly underestimate the resourcefulness of scammers. Just google calorie restriction and intermittent fasting. There are all sorts of people selling ebooks, vitamins, appetite suppressants, meal replacements, and various potions that supposedly "mimic the effects of calorie restriction on the body."

    Nonetheless, you could be on to something. I was just looking at portraits from 1700s France, and wowee if the people back then didn't all have amazing hair! Even the old guys sported glorious white ponytails and luxurious curls. Perhaps there's something to be said for the pre-industrial diet and lifestyle after all!

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