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    It's 2015 and we still get these groundless posts.

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    It's just ridiculous because they make it seem like they stumbled upon something ground breaking. Millions have tried to go the "natural" route to treat their hair loss and have failed. I am happy that a select few have cured their baldness through diet, but I am not going to overlook the millions that have failed going the natural route.

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    considering that this guy was drinking and smoking and eating a bad diet...that explains alot.. -_- I dont smoke I dont drink I dont eat rubbish food...sure I dont exercise but who said exercising will magically grow my hairline back? no no...

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    considering that this guy was drinking and smoking and eating a bad diet...that explains alot.. -_- I dont smoke I dont drink I dont eat rubbish food...sure I dont exercise but who said exercising will magically grow my hairline back? no no...

    Yesterday 11:17 PM
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    It's just ridiculous because they make it seem like they stumbled upon something ground breaking. Millions have tried to go the "natural" route to treat their hair loss and have failed. I am happy that a select few have cured their baldness through diet, but I am not going to overlook the millions that have failed going the natural route.

    This and this. Exactly what I think is wrong with the thread. Although to be clear the OP hasn't "cured" anything. The OP appears to be naive and has deluded himself into thinking he's reversed his hair loss. More likely it stabilized, as happens to many MPB sufferers, or hasn't even slowed down at all, and OP is engaging in wishful thinking.

    I think there is harm in these "I tried X and it stopped my hair loss!" threads that pop up from time to time. Even when the posters aren't shills, but merely naive people, they give false hope to others who are new to hair loss, and they encourage people to waste time and energy making all kinds of lifestyle changes that won't get them their hair back. What's more, I think posts like the OP's encourage self-blame. It almost gives the impression MPB is a character flaw for people who don't practice "clean living" whatever that is.

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    I totally understand where all of you are coming from. Some of you may have tried to go the 'natural route', incorporate regular exercise into your weekly routines and learn to relax. I never said I had a ground breaking magical cure - I think this option is only viable for people at the early stages of hair loss. I am attempting to help people with what seems to have worked for me. It has worked up until now and I hope it continues.

    Every one knows that they should eat healthy, yet obesity is increasing. Someone on here mentioned that I was deluded for bringing this up - how many people delude themselves into thinking they live healthily by eating a salad every now and again, or going for a run once a week? I have tried to help people before and most of the time they can't let go of things like smoking, drinking, occasional fast food, white bread, candy, fizzy drinks etc.

    I went to the doctors and they told me I had MPB. I researched it for ages but it didn't take me long to see a connection with lifestyle and the negative effects on the body - potentially the hair. And man, I decided to do EVERYTHING I could in order to maximise the chances of stopping my hair loss. And it was really difficult at first - I continued to smoke occasionally, I tried to eat healthier but it seriously is a massive learning curve to re-wire your eating habits and actually think about what those foods are doing to you.

    I know I am lucky, but I don't think I'm the only one who can benefit from these changes. As someone else said, even if you don't regrow your hair you will feel 100 times better with those lifestyle changes. And regarding the added cost of living a healthy lifestyle... That's penny wise and pound foolish. I know I'd rather feed myself with the best food possible and pay a little extra over time than have to end up paying for huge medical bills, medication costs, hair transplants and whatever else.

    I don't expect everyone to take me seriously. Thinking back, the thing that clicked for me was the image of 'hunter gatherers' with full heads of hair, pictures from the 30s - 60s where people seem to have much thicker, longer hair. The main things that stick out to me about those things are a less stressful lifestyle, less alcohol and drugs, eating better quality food and more exercise. Absolutely not in all cases, but I reckon there's something to it. I just changed my lifestyle to be more like that - it's not even hard anymore. I know why I'm doing it and since I quit smoking in 2013 - I've not felt like I've sacrificed anything.

    Finally, I think rejecting my opinion/story does even more harm - some young person could read this and make huge changes to their life. Possibly manage to keep their hair. I think it's worth a shot, don't you?

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    Hey buddy,

    I'm glad you found a way to counteract your person hair loss problem.

    Could you tell me some of the things you did to counteract it? Like what you changed in your life style etc etc.

    Thanks!

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    I think rejecting my opinion/story does even more harm - some young person could read this and make huge changes to their life. Possibly manage to keep their hair. I think it's worth a shot, don't you?
    Everyone should be encouraged to adopt healthy lifestyle habits that include routine exercise and moderate eating and drinking. The problem is that posts like yours set people up to fail when they make drastic lifestyle changes that don't result in more hair. What's more, you have not a shred of evidence that anything you've done has worked for you.

    Thinking back, the thing that clicked for me was the image of 'hunter gatherers' with full heads of hair, pictures from the 30s - 60s where people seem to have much thicker, longer hair. The main things that stick out to me about those things are a less stressful lifestyle, less alcohol and drugs, eating better quality food and more exercise.
    I don't know what images you're talking about, but MPB is documented among the remaining hunter-gatherer societies. MPB is rare among the Yanomamo of South America, (incidentally the Yanomamo are not hunter-gatherers--they practice a primitive form of agriculture) but this is thought to be the result of genetic factors. The Yanomamo also happen to be very heavy smokers and users of hallucinogenic drugs! It's worth remembering that people living in the remaining hunter-gatherer societies don't keep track of their ages, but anthropologists have estimated that the men seldom live past 40. Nonetheless, an image search of the Batak of tribe of the Philippines shows no shortage of men with receding hair.

    It's funny you bring up the image of virile young hunter-gatherer men with full heads of hair. The image that stands out to me in all this discussion of MPB and lifestyle factors is that of the balding stump-tailed macaques. If only we could get those monkeys to exercise more, lay off the junk food and alcohol, and give up smoking!

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    Hey Hozzam,

    Thanks for your question. Here are some of the key points of what I put into practice.

    1. Try to stop stressing about it - this gets you caught up in a never ending cycle of negativity. You gotta try and get good quality sleep for around 7-8 hours as well as curb your levels of cortisol while you're awake.

    2. Reduce the production of testosterone into DHT at the hair follicle - I would recommend Saw Palmetto or Propecia - although I would choose the former! (ask your doctor first etc.)

    3. Eat regular meals - made with organic ingredients where possible. Reduce meat and dairy. Eliminate processed carbs (white bread, white pasta, sugary drinks/snacks, cakes, pastries etc.).

    4. Medium intensity cardio exercise three times a week. Don't overdo it.

    5. Firm scalp massages every morning and night.

    6. Wash your hair every other day with anti-dandruff shampoo (head and shoulders).

    7. Continue this for a month to three months and keep a note on if anything changes. Take some photos now and and see what happens over the trial period. If there is zero reduction in hair fall - I think it would be best to try a different approach. If you already have a shaved head - I would be tempted to try for a longer time to see if there is any regrowth.

    You must make the difficult decision to REALLY change your lifestyle. Remind yourself about why you are doing this and how much happier you'll be if this works. I can't guarantee anything but I'm pretty confident you'll notice some positive changes.

    There are additional things I would also try to do - but this is a great start. Treat it as an experiment and listen to your body (I don't mean that in an Earth Mother kind of way - but you really will start to understand your body more by doing this).

    I noticed a pretty dramatic slowing down of hair fall when I made these changes. I really hope you do too. It'd be great to hear how it goes and feel free to ask me anything.

    Is it possible to PM on this service? If you'd like me to be more specific and discuss aditional things you can do - just give me a shout.

    Good luck man.

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    Hey Thinning@30,

    Thanks for your comment. You made some great points.

    Although I am new to the forums with this username, I was regularly here over the past 5 or so years as a visitor. I went to see doctors and dermatologists during my worst stages and they suggested that I was suffering from MPB. They recommended two possible actions: propecia/minoxodil or to just let it take it's course. I wasn't satisfied with these answers. I don't think they were particularly knowledgable about hair loss - it just encouraged me to look for alternatives. I spoke to hair specialists and discussed my situation, I took blood tests and I made drastic lifestyle changes.

    I don't mean to offend anyone by joining the forum and sharing my story. I believe that hair loss, or at least the rate of hair loss, is highly dependant upon how well our body is functioning. If we can prevent stress, anxiety and frustration over hair loss, we can reduce cortisol levels - which are proven to be connected to hair loss. I use Saw Palmetto and nettle to reduce the conversion of testosterone into DHT instead of Propecia. I do regular scalp exercises in order to stimulate the scalp and increase blood flow. Diet and exercise are a big part of getting our body to function at it's best.

    Lots of people don't understand this and think that food is food. Due to increasing amounts of pesticides, GMOs, growth hormones, and various other chemicals used in standard food production today - I believe this really isn't the case. People are more sick, have more allergies and are at higher risk of infections and terminal illnesses than ever before. They are then propped up by more chemicals than ever before - and I don't want to be a part of that.

    I think the main thing to remember here is that some people are pre-disposed to hair loss and pattern baldness and some people aren't. There are plenty of people who seemingly do zero exercise, eat what they like and have perfect hair. There are also people who do live their lives this way and have no problem with weight - we know that genetics, body function and metabolism, for example, have a lot to do with this.

    I disagree that our hair is unaffected by our health. I am not suggesting that what I have done will work for everyone. However, I do believe that everyone can improve the longevity of their hair by improving their lifestyle.

    I am totally open to discussion on this. It would be great to hear back from you.
    Couldnt agree more

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    lol , the natural course are bullshit .

    i tried it , mpb is purely ****ing genetic .

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