Bald spot on fin.. Do I quit?

[WanderingOracle]

A hair tattoo is really not smart in my eyes.. Especially when your 70 with a tattoo of dots on ones head lol.

I mean which way do you think a 70 year old man will look better? One with a few random tufts of grey, and white hair popping out of a bald, age spotted head. Or, a nice simple black outline, that looks almost exactly like it did at age 40?

Secondly, you want your hair to look good primarily to impress women(or perhaps men). This is all about your sexual market value. Ok, at 70, provided you're not a billionaire, you're out of the sexual market anyway. Who cares if you look %5 shittier at 70? It makes you look much better now, which is the only thing that matters.

Hair piece is also not for most guys

Not a "hair piece". Hair extensions and hair clips. Completely different matter. A hair piece is a huge pain in the ass and only makes sense for a NW5+. Down at 3.5 and below, you can use both hair extensions and hair clips. They look very good, and natural. A lot of women get them, and they can work just as well for you. You'll just want shorter ones. Any salon can hook you up.

whatever made my hair die made my nw2 turn into a diffuse nw3.. I can't even make it look good like I used to because of how fast and how hard I lost hair.

You aren't going to be able to make it look good if you do what most of the guys around here do. I'm in finance, but my whole family is very involved in the style and cosmetics industry. Most guys on balding forums look like shit, have never been attractive and have literally have no idea how to even look good. If you do what they do... expect similar results.

Pining for %100 of your hair won't make one extra strand stay. You need to be thinking about what will work for you. Don't do what most balding men do and just try to hold onto hair. Work with what you've got(even if you keep losing it).

Then I started trying to pin point why the shed happened and thought it was due to me doing p90x and restricting certain foods from my diet.. [...]Also, I've been thinking that I may have something causing my hairloss because I was getting sensitive to certain foods and they were causing my scalp to itch when eating them.. Maybe celiac? Or gluten disorder? I read they can cause autoimmune related hairloss and since my scalp felt so bad and burned, it could have to do with something along those lines..

Stress and diet have almost nothing to do with hair loss. Unfortunately, it's a misconception that is very common among balding men. If you are truly stress losing hair, it will fall out everywhere, not along typical MPB lines. You'll lose just as much in the back and sides as you do on your hairline and crown. If you're losing along hairline and crown, it's not stress. Any semi-normal diet will never make your hair fall out. And again, if it did, it would be everywhere. And you'd lose body hair too. If it's actually causing an odd scalp reaction that's inflaming folicles and making hair smaller, your best tool to fight it is Nizoral

I used minox for 2.5 on my hairline at night before this massive shed

It was probably the Minox. Minox causes shedding, and unfortunately, a lot of the shed hair, just never comes back. You'd lose most of it without the Minox eventually. But it speeds up the process by as much as 2 years, in just 2 months. It's not TE, it's more like euthanasia to a dying follicle.

Also, do not try to casually use Minox. As your hair is exposed to it, it becomes dependent on it. And when a dependent hair stops getting Minox and falls out, it never comes back. Even if you start using Minox again in a year or two. Cycling Minox will accelerate hair loss. Either use it for life, or don't touch it. This is not like Propecia, where you can go on and off it, without problems.

[jamesst11]

Ziggy, I think the only advice I can give at this point is PLEASE do NOT do ANYTHING out of DESPERATION!! That is how most of us got all messed up. Oral minoxidil? Hell no. DO NOT DO THIS. Hair tattoo.. NO NO NO!! Not at your stage of hair loss.

[WanderingOracle]

Hair tattoo.. NO NO NO!! Not at your stage of hair loss.

The tattoo is good for masking the balding popping up through thinner hair. I'm not talking about shaving it off.
It's basically like a low maintenance version of Toppix.

[jamesst11]

Are you talking temporary SMP or permanent? I personally would not advise anyone with a good amount of hair to do permanent SMP, especially if they have MPB... You are then dedicating yourself to a life of scalp tattooing.

[WanderingOracle]

Are you talking temporary SMP or permanent? I personally would not advise anyone with a good amount of hair to do permanent SMP, especially if they have MPB... You are then dedicating yourself to a life of scalp tattooing.

Much different than dedicating yourself to a life of popping pills and dumping muck in your hair.
I mean think about it.

All you have to do on Fin is take a pill every day that changes your entire body chemistry.
And all you have to do with Minox, is slap some greasy, smelly gunk in your hair, 2x a day, every single day so your hair doesn't all fall out.
Those things seem quite simple and reasonable.

Meanwhile, a hair tattoo requires you sit in a chair for about 3 hours every five years. So inconvenient!

[burtandernie]

Why do you get to decide though what men want? If a guy wants perfect hair instead of just being happy with decent hair for his age why do you decide that is wrong? Its a perfectly fine expectation to shoot for perfection.

[jamesst11]

Much different than dedicating yourself to a life of popping pills and dumping muck in your hair.
I mean think about it.

All you have to do on Fin is take a pill every day that changes your entire body chemistry.
And all you have to do with Minox, is slap some greasy, smelly gunk in your hair, 2x a day, every single day so your hair doesn't all fall out.
Those things seem quite simple and reasonable.

Meanwhile, a hair tattoo requires you sit in a chair for about 3 hours every five years. So inconvenient!

Minox foam is easy and simply. I rub some through after a shower once a day. I take fin every day as well. For me, the only side effects have been opposite of what people warn. Slightly increased libido, better mood, for energy and increased athletic performance. So you can't really make blanket statements about these things if you are biased, or had a negative reaction yourself. People take medications every day for a variety of things. Some people, for example, take anti-anxiety meds, with a long list of side effects, including suicidal thoughts. They take it knowing the risks and rewards and as adults make what they think is a proper judgement. As we know from forums like this, hair loss can have DRASTIC effects on a man's self esteem, really impact their life or even ruin it. Therefor, no, I do not believe that fin or minox are these evil horrible things, as long as they are thoroughly researched and taken with caution and awareness of one's physiology and side effects... a hair tattoo on the other hand can be a great idea, I admit and some of the results are amazing. I just think it's more appropriate and will lead to less regret when one STRICTLY knows the direction of their hair loss, so they can plan for the future. Ziggy's hair loss, like my own, is very recent and it may take a variety of paths. Once again, I preface my statements usually with, "in my personal opinion" because obviously there is no strict right or wrong.

[WanderingOracle]

Why do you get to decide though what men want? If a guy wants perfect hair instead of just being happy with decent hair for his age why do you decide that is wrong? Its a perfectly fine expectation to shoot for perfection.

Because it's not going to happen. It's like a man who's 5'8" dreaming of being 6'4".
Setting yourself up for failure is generally a poor idea. I would think the high number of fatalistic posters we have around here, might be pretty good evidence of why that's a bad idea. Who here has come in as a NW2, progressed to a NW3 Diffuse, and bounced back to an NW1?
Even one person? If not, it's a bad idea.

That kind of thinking leads to stuff like this.

So you can't really make blanket statements about these things if you are biased, or had a negative reaction yourself.

I didn't. I've had nothing but excellent results from Fin. I never tried Minox, partly because Fin stopped my loss, and partly because I wasn't interested in that sort of commitment. Every day, 2x per day is something I've never done, and doubt I'd keep up with. If other guys want to, cool.

I'm just saying that all of these things are lifelong commitments. And out of the three, a tattoo is by far the least drastic and lowest maintenance.

[jamesst11]

Because it's not going to happen. It's like a man who's 5'8" dreaming of being 6'4".
Setting yourself up for failure is generally a poor idea. I would think the high number of fatalistic posters we have around here, might be pretty good evidence of why that's a bad idea. Who here has come in as a NW2, progressed to a NW3 Diffuse, and bounced back to an NW1?
Even one person? If not, it's a bad idea.

That kind of thinking leads to stuff like this.
I didn't. I've had nothing but excellent results from Fin. I never tried Minox, partly because Fin stopped my loss, and partly because I wasn't interested in that sort of commitment. Every day, 2x per day is something I've never done, and doubt I'd keep up with. If other guys want to, cool.

I'm just saying that all of these things are lifelong commitments. And out of the three, a tattoo is by far the least drastic and lowest maintenance.

that's true, also these medications are never for certain. I was considering SMP if I shave my head, especially if my transplanted area looks a little off and definitely for the scar.

[WHTC Clinic]

Ziggyz123. Did you doc provide you with any guidance or options?

[Ziggyz123]

Ziggyz123. Did you doc provide you with any guidance or options?

Unfortunately, no because they don't know or understand my issue.. I'm currently saving for a transplant so that's plan

[Ziggyz123]

Ziggyz123. Did you doc provide you with any guidance or options?

Unfortunately, no because they don't know or understand my issue.. I'm currently saving for a transplant so that's plan

[Dench57]

Unfortunately, no because they don't know or understand my issue...

I'm learning that the hard way too Ziggy. Even this so called hair-loss specialist I saw in Harley Street didn't have a clue. Looks like we're on our own when it comes to androgenic alopecia.

[jamesst11]

Have you guys tried a very low dose of propecia, just to keep your DHT in check. Like 1mg or even .5mg EOD? Also, did you ever get testosterone and DHT tests? I had a little pain and itching this past month. I said f*ck it and got some nizoral 2% and that stuff works awesome for ME...I know it can be an issue for some people, but it really reduced my shedding and my itch and pain is completely gone.

[Dench57]

When I was using it I only used 0.5mg and then went down to 0.25mg a day. It still inhibits roughly the same amount as 1.5-2g so it won't make much difference in terms of side effects. My testosterone is high (30 when the normal range is 5-28) but not high enough to explain my situation. Still waiting for DHT results back.