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    Default fin will be finito, and NW7 is going to be NW0

    well i m gonna start off by introducing myself like every newbie does and explain why i posted under cutting edge section. i ve been following this forum for quite sometime and really much appreciate the input given here. However I see certain things or elements need to be said that almost everyone missing here..

    First off I am working as a senior supply chain specialist in one of the 3 big pharma (GSK, Pfizer, Merck). I dont wanna further disclose my identity due to the confidentiality issues. Let me tell you what I do in my daily work.. I work on topics to generate logistic savings which could make around 100-200k USD (annual). There are continuous improvement programs initiated, strictly managed and appreciated by the management. I said it to emphasize how valuable each penny is for the company. Can you image how much money you could make if u find the cure on hair loss? And guys these are big capitalist multinationals and willing to do whatever it takes to earn a dollar more!!!!
    So returning to my point... Last week we had our annual team meeting where i had the chance to meet with our head of R&D. He said few things that might be useful to share with you all

    1- Hair loss market for big pharmas is now in "dormant" phase. We do not want to launch products the likes of BIM, follicept, RU or kythera...etc. Simply because they are/will not be the full blown cure. Can you image us releasing a product which is not significantly better than fin? and only generates few hair follicles on ur head? if we dont live up to our promises, our brand image will be gone.

    2-Science is progressive so we appreciate their input. But please do not forget that the ultimate cure will be found by one of these big pharmas. When I asked him about these products, he made a subtle smile and replied to me " if they had found the cure today, we would buy them next business day whatever the price they are asking for" . Guys, lets be honest, do you really think that we would just let some startup in Japan or Asia to scoop the market? Guys, if anyone i mean anyone is sitting on a full blown cure, we are ready to pay very substantial amounts that you could not ever image (same goes for all other diseases e.g. cancer). thats why I said we are in dormant phase, because we dont talk BS in hair loss anymore.. You are also mentioning here about some companies why they stopped launching their product or even canceled the whole project. This is the whole reason behind it... because no one has the whole answer....

    3- Does it mean there is no progress on the cure? : I tell you this much guys.. he didnt give away any details on this but u should know that we are spending crazy billions of euros on R&D each year just to be the first one on finding the ultimate cure. On top of it we have common R&D facilities all over the world where all big pharmas join their forces to find the ultimate cure. (again it goes for cancer treatments as well)

    4-It can take years, or 5, or 20, or forever but the next product launched by us will make NW7 to NW0. And trust me you would not read this on the baldtruth forum, it would be breakthrough news all over the world...

    5- That makes my last point. I asked him about this forum. yet surprised by his reaction that he knows it.. I bet the team working on hair loss would know every one of you. This forum is very very valuable.. There are some users here (e.g. desmond hellouser....etc) who are very important for us. I would call them lead/key users to penetrate the whole hair loss market. Trust me if they found the cure, first thing they would reach out to you and you would be the first ones to test. So please keep this cutting edge forum intact, give authorization only to those certain users. Each piece of the information is valuable here.. I think we all dont want to see posts like am i going bald? pls advise old timer non fin....etc.

    Thanks for reading my post and hope to inform you sufficiently. My advice, dont be obsessive and check this forum everyday.. the solution you are looking for is not fin or the others above. When the day comes it will find u.. BBC will announce it as last minute news. Just hang in there, u would not go to asia for the treatment, or waiting for the FDA approval.. guys in FDA are ex-pharma employees i see some of you giving out about all FDA and stuff.... trust me if we have the full blown cure, it will be on the shelf in weeks time... do not underestimate the power of big pharmas. FDA is not a roadblocker, in fact they play very important role by weeding out the losers in the market. so trust me FDA is there for the good.. they would do their best and open the gate wide open when that time comes...

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    hmm. not sure what to make of that post. first, thanks for that insider info so far.

    but you're saying there are spent billions of R&D even for hairloss treatments? and yet no cure in sight? i don't believe that. and why does it have to be a NW7 to NW0 transformation before they release a new product? their image wouldn't be destroyed if they release something which at least stops hair loss without side effects, and even regrows some hair if the scalp hasn't been slick for over 5 years so.
    it's something different to rescue some dying hairs before it's too late, compared to bringing a full slick NW7 back to life.

    you mentioned it could be years, 5 or 20.

    as you are anonymous here anyway, would you mind to give an estimation about the real release of a new product? will it really be another 5 years or do you have some information which could hint at some earlier product?

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    Blah, blah, blah! What a troll story, lol!

    On forums i can say that i sleep with Jessica Alba yesterday. You must believe me)

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    I appreciate the time you took to come and write this, but to be honest, there's nothing you've said here which is news to us.

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    lol this is clearly trolling. There are so many things wrong with this post, I'm not going to waste my time tearing it apart.

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    I will say this, weeks time? You're laughable. Secondly, Bim, Kythera, CB are all meant to be slightly better or at minimum as good as current FDA treatments. Minox works on about 3/10 men, and finasteride has horrible sides. Any drug that can out perform them in the slightest will make it to market (in regards to responder rate and efficacy). In just about every company's investor presentation, when they talk about their hair loss treatment, they discuss the side effects of current drugs and that their goal is to produce something that works as well and is absent of these effects.

    Furthermore, to suggest they know individual members on here is a joke.

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    definitely smells of troll but he didnt say much of anything important anyway. Why again is this cutting edge or future treatment? There is nothing new in this wall of text from what I saw its just a random useless story. This forum should be new research or new possible treatments and really nothing else.

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    Definitely doesn't make sense. I would love to see a cure for slick bald guys but really can't see that happening in our lifetime. As a diffuse thinner, I would be absolutely thrilled with something that could rejuvenate my hair as much as fin can without the sides. It would be a revelation to have a treatment capable of that, not a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanWS View Post
    I appreciate the time you took to come and write this, but to be honest, there's nothing you've said here which is news to us.
    Some of it is news to me. For example, the poster's statement that if they found a cure it would be available within weeks is definitely news to me. So far all hair loss treatments have had to go through FDA phase 1, phase 2, and phase 3 studies. What the poster said makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    Some of it is news to me. For example, the poster's statement that if they found a cure it would be available within weeks is definitely news to me. So far all hair loss treatments have had to go through FDA phase 1, phase 2, and phase 3 studies. What the poster said makes no sense.
    i would say it makes sense.
    let's say this guy is a real insider.
    we all know that many employees of the FDA have a strong connection to big business companies, e.g. ex-employees of pharma companies, food manufacturers etc.
    in their strong position within the FDA they have the possibility to accelerate things or allow new treatments or e.g. new GMO food at all. this already happened several times in the past.
    so if a pharma company has the cure and if there's billions of money to make, then i think, the FDA could allow such treatments indeed.
    today, the FDA really consists of a lot of former business sharks. of course there is no total neutrality and they still have the power to turn things to their advantage. i think that's not really news to us. FDA is no neutral institution which only has people's health in their focus. yes, all in all the FDA is a good thing as a protective measure for the general public, but it's by far not perfect, as we all know. the interests of big business companies are still treated different.
    and let's not mention the decade-lasting release procedures for new products. like Devon stated, introducing a new product costs millions if not billions to even have the slight chance to succeed. of course this is a show stopper for most companies and also the reason why there are still no better options than fin and minox crap.

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