OC info+ use RU at your own risk

[sdsurfin]

Here is a post by someone on another forum. I have researched and double-researched the science on this, and we need to make OC the new standard in experimental treatments. This means either getting Kane to switch over price wise, or finding a new supplier. Any help would be appreciated. I have looked into RU, am using it myself, and can say the following- it absolutely affects your testes and prostate, and from what I've looked into , has a high chance of changing your androgen receptors and actually damaging your hair in the long run. OC and BIM are much better options, and we are being screwed because of the price. let's fix this. Stop ordering RU and let's maintain with something that has proven safety.



"Use OC ethanol. SAME thing happened to me with the old version, but I attribute it to the use of DMSO which is an irritant like many say.
Avoid DMSO.

I dissolve the new OC (ethanol) in guess what..ethanol. I add a small drop of DIM (search it).

It killed shedding.
I started with 2% version, but 1% works ok too. You know it is working when the itching decreased and after the shedding decrease. It also reduces oil on the face (nice side effect).

No other side effects other than maybe insomnia if you take late in evening.

How many times do I have to say: I stopped losing hair, period. My hair is exactly the same as 1 year ago, and maybe a bit thicker on the crown but not in a way that would be very obvious on camera.

Any other treatments? Yes I was on RU for 3 years, dropped it after 6 months from starting OC since OC did the job. I have been on minox for 10 years. I use it now and then.

OC does not cause itching, it is DMSO. You don t have to use everyday, I went for a trip and stopped taking it for 3 weeks, only slight increase in shed.

OC= no more hair loss, period. And I got it from Kane, and if you think I am advertising for Kane then please don't ask anymore questions (I Have other threads on OC so you can find your answers there). I am tired of having to explain to people how good it is and only return a month later to find that no one has tried it. WTF?!

You would be better off with one application of OC a week rather than nothing...so OC can be cheap. "

[Gerhard]

Here is a post by someone on another forum. I have researched and double-researched the science on this, and we need to make OC the new standard in experimental treatments. This means either getting Kane to switch over price wise, or finding a new supplier. Any help would be appreciated. I have looked into RU, am using it myself, and can say the following- it absolutely affects your testes and prostate, and from what I've looked into , has a high chance of changing your androgen receptors and actually damaging your hair in the long run. OC and BIM are much better options, and we are being screwed because of the price. let's fix this. Stop ordering RU and let's maintain with something that has proven safety.



"Use OC ethanol. SAME thing happened to me with the old version, but I attribute it to the use of DMSO which is an irritant like many say.
Avoid DMSO.

I dissolve the new OC (ethanol) in guess what..ethanol. I add a small drop of DIM (search it).

It killed shedding.
I started with 2% version, but 1% works ok too. You know it is working when the itching decreased and after the shedding decrease. It also reduces oil on the face (nice side effect).

No other side effects other than maybe insomnia if you take late in evening.

How many times do I have to say: I stopped losing hair, period. My hair is exactly the same as 1 year ago, and maybe a bit thicker on the crown but not in a way that would be very obvious on camera.

Any other treatments? Yes I was on RU for 3 years, dropped it after 6 months from starting OC since OC did the job. I have been on minox for 10 years. I use it now and then.

OC does not cause itching, it is DMSO. You don t have to use everyday, I went for a trip and stopped taking it for 3 weeks, only slight increase in shed.

OC= no more hair loss, period. And I got it from Kane, and if you think I am advertising for Kane then please don't ask anymore questions (I Have other threads on OC so you can find your answers there). I am tired of having to explain to people how good it is and only return a month later to find that no one has tried it. WTF?!

You would be better off with one application of OC a week rather than nothing...so OC can be cheap. "

Been reading your multiple posts and threads over the last few days. I'd love to start by saying thanks, SD. I know you received some shit from some of the guys on the forum not too long ago due to your pointing out potential sides, etc., but I'm pretty sure we can all say you've contributed more to this forum than anyone else has as of late. We all appreciate your crusading, brother. I'm not sure if I'm willing to jump out on the OC train with you yet. Not because of worries via side effects but more due to a lack of cash and the high price it is purportedly set at right now. I hope this works as well as the anecdote quoted above and I hope you and everyone else can talk the price down with Kane in order to make this a viable method.

As you say - we need to hold out for a treatment like Replicel but the journey needs us to get there with hair still intact.

How do I get ahold of Kane to email him and help you with this?

[Gerhard]

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=110590

Here's the thread he found this anecdote from if anyone is interested.

EDIT: If you do decide to read it please read through the whole thing. Pretty darn positive review by the guy who decided to hop on it. This definitely seems to be a maintenance drug so if you still have a half decent head of hair this may not be too bad. It's side effect profile to these two guys sounds like a less severe version of the accutane skin dryness I experienced when I was 15. We really should discuss with Kane a group buy or a price drop. This sounds like a pretty good black market treatment (not hormonal and insignificant side effect profile) until we can hopefully get Cotsarelis' setipriprant or (crossing my fingers here) Replicel's cell based treatment to halt MPB in its tracts.

You're doing some beautiful work, SD. Keep on doing what you're doing, brother.

[sdsurfin]

Been reading your multiple posts and threads over the last few days. I'd love to start by saying thanks, SD. I know you received some shit from some of the guys on the forum not too long ago due to your pointing out potential sides, etc., but I'm pretty sure we can all say you've contributed more to this forum than anyone else has as of late. We all appreciate your crusading, brother. I'm not sure if I'm willing to jump out on the OC train with you yet. Not because of worries via side effects but more due to a lack of cash and the high price it is purportedly set at right now. I hope this works as well as the anecdote quoted above and I hope you and everyone else can talk the price down with Kane in order to make this a viable method.

As you say - we need to hold out for a treatment like Replicel but the journey needs us to get there with hair still intact.

How do I get ahold of Kane to email him and help you with this?

Thanks bro. Google anageninc and he has his contact on there. Even if you can't buy it just drop him a line saying that you would if it was cheaper.

Also, to all you guys feeling shitty about this, the thing that helps me most is not these forums, but just finding acceptance of the situation and knowing that it's not the end of the world. A good majority of men have to deal with this at some point, and it will only impact you as much as you let it. I do think there's a light to this problem coming soon, but it's best not to let it run your life. learn to love yourself either way, by the time people are in their 30s most guys have ****ed up hair to some extent. Other people have other problems, life is very hard, and the man you are is dictated by how you deal with the hard things. Value your strength above your hair. Intelligent people don't let amount of hair dictate their life, and intelligent women don't care about how much hair a guy has.

[Gerhard]

Thanks bro. Google anageninc and he has his contact on there. Even if you can't buy it just drop him a line saying that you would if it was cheaper.

Also, to all you guys feeling shitty about this, the thing that helps me most is not these forums, but just finding acceptance of the situation and knowing that it's not the end of the world. A good majority of men have to deal with this at some point, and it will only impact you as much as you let it. I do think there's a light to this problem coming soon, but it's best not to let it run your life. learn to love yourself either way, by the time people are in their 30s most guys have ****ed up hair to some extent. Other people have other problems, life is very hard, and the man you are is dictated by how you deal with the hard things. Value your strength above your hair. Intelligent people don't let amount of hair dictate their life, and intelligent women don't care about how much hair a guy has.

Sounds good, man. I'll email him tomorrow.

I definitely agree with your outlook. Good, solid words that need to be reiterated every so often on these forums. Sometimes I feel the individuals on this forum (myself included so I'm not tossing stones) can let hair loss get the best of us and we react by throwing pity parties and aggrandizing the problem. I've been reading up on OC today though and I can see why you talked so positively about it - good reviews from virtually everyone who's been on it and actually knows how to properly mix it.

Again, nice work on here, sd.

[sdsurfin]

Sounds good, man. I'll email him tomorrow.

I definitely agree with your outlook. Good, solid words that need to be reiterated every so often on these forums. Sometimes I feel the individuals on this forum (myself included so I'm not tossing stones) can let hair loss get the best of us and we react by throwing pity parties and aggrandizing the problem. I've been reading up on OC today though and I can see why you talked so positively about it - good reviews from virtually everyone who's been on it and actually knows how to properly mix it.

Again, nice work on here, sd.

Yeah I'm not one to push anything on here, because I truly believe acceptance is best and healthiest, but OC and setipip are good candidates for the option of fighting the good fight. There's really no good reason not to be able to buy them somewhere, **** the FDA and **** regulations, the demand for a safe treatment is out there, so let's join forces to make it happen. Cotsarellis did the hard work by figuring this stuff out, and now we have a means to act on that knowledge. I still think getting setipiprant would be the best option ( i hate topicals), but we can try both. I bet if we get 500 guys to email kane and other suppliers we can find a reasonable source. They potentially have a much more stable market to gain from this than from RU, which I think we are all a bit scared of.

[unbalding]

I like what you're trying to do here, sd. I've been thinking the same thing myself. We need more people to commit to trying a PGD2 blocker along with a PGF2a analogue. The theory is sound, and it's worth giving it a long trial. I think we should focus on TM30089 rather than OC though. It is more potent, completely inhibiting PGD2. It is also more soluble, and it should last longer between applications.

I bet if everyone on this forum starts taking TM and bimatoprost 1%, and sticks with it, we will see a lot more success stories in six months.

[Gerhard]

I like what you're trying to do here, sd. I've been thinking the same thing myself. We need more people to commit to trying a PGD2 blocker along with a PGF2a analogue. The theory is sound, and it's worth giving it a long trial. I think we should focus on TM30089 rather than OC though. It is more potent, completely inhibiting PGD2. It is also more soluble, and it should last longer between applications.

I bet if everyone on this forum starts taking TM and bimatoprost 1%, and sticks with it, we will see a lot more success stories in six months.

Is entirely blocking PGD2 as TM30089 does healthy and capable of long term usage? I'd think that a total suppression could lead to negative side effects. I figured the usage of OC or setipriprant's ultimate goal was to lower these PGD2 levels in bald and balding men back down to normal scalp levels.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

If someone can PROVE that OC works to completely halt hair loss with photos of progress etc. and it's done well in terms of application, documentation etc then it will be a big success. I think for the guys who already have a regimen with fin etc, they are hesitant to drop what they have and go for an unproven formula. No one wants to lose ground.

If someone can prove this will work, then plenty of others will do the same. I will flush the fin tomorrow if someone can prove it to us.

[Gerhard]

If someone can PROVE that OC works to completely halt hair loss with photos of progress etc. and it's done well in terms of application, documentation etc then it will be a big success. I think for the guys who already have a regimen with fin etc, they are hesitant to drop what they have and go for an unproven formula. No one wants to lose ground.

If someone can prove this will work, then plenty of others will do the same. I will flush the fin tomorrow if someone can prove it to us.

That's the thing though. No one is willing to do so which is why a lot of what we have is pretty much anecdotal. Some individuals on hairlosshelp have gone out of their way to test it and say that it has held up their hairloss or at least been a great asset for them. King of Chimps, the guy who is the individual quoted in sd's original post says that is his primary and only form of hair loss prevention and that it has worked flawlessly. He also states in the thread that it's due to people's hesitations that things like OC are not more widely used. It does make sense though. People only really started jumping on RU after hellouser and irishpride posted some pretty stellar results.

I'm probably just being a little optimistic here though. I just want something that'll tide be over 'til a more effective treatment comes and doesn't make me worry as much as fin does.

[Hairismylife]

That's the thing though. No one is willing to do so which is why a lot of what we have is pretty much anecdotal. Some individuals on hairlosshelp have gone out of their way to test it and say that it has held up their hairloss or at least been a great asset for them. King of Chimps, the guy who is the individual quoted in sd's original post says that is his primary and only form of hair loss prevention and that it has worked flawlessly. He also states in the thread that it's due to people's hesitations that things like OC are not more widely used. It does make sense though. People only really started jumping on RU after hellouser and irishpride posted some pretty stellar results.

I'm probably just being a little optimistic here though. I just want something that'll tide be over 'til a more effective treatment comes and doesn't make me worry as much as fin does.

True. I am the one who jump onto RU after reading Hell's thread.

[sdsurfin]

I like what you're trying to do here, sd. I've been thinking the same thing myself. We need more people to commit to trying a PGD2 blocker along with a PGF2a analogue. The theory is sound, and it's worth giving it a long trial. I think we should focus on TM30089 rather than OC though. It is more potent, completely inhibiting PGD2. It is also more soluble, and it should last longer between applications.

I bet if everyone on this forum starts taking TM and bimatoprost 1%, and sticks with it, we will see a lot more success stories in six months.

I think honestly the best option is to follow researchers' lead and use what they think works, which is setipiprant. Otherwise OC seems to be a good candidate, as we know it can be made, sold, and used topically with success, though anecdotal. I do not need photo proof to buy it at a reasonable price. The science is there, the reports of it working are enough, and I have had enough of a change in shedding and itch with zyrtec alone that Im pretty positive this will work. If it doesn't then I simply won't buy any more. The health risks are basically nil. I don't know anything about TM, or if it targets the exact receptor that cots has implicated and linked to treatment with setipiprant.

Gerhard- These drugs do not reduce PGD2 levels. they block PGD2 from latching on to a very specific receptor that controls inflammation in hair. apically you still have the same amount of PGD2 floating around and interacting with other receptors that have nothing to do with hair. Im not sure what the long term effects of blocking this specific receptor are, but if Kythera and UPenn are confident in its safety, and they are in phase3 for asthma on these drugs, then the risks cannot be too high. I just want to be able to use this for the 5 years or so until we have a cell based treatment. In any case this is not going to slighter your sex organs or your brain, the most it could possibly do is be worse for your hair in the long run, but i highly doubt that considering the interest that kythera has in the drug, and I'm losing my hair anyway, so ill take that gamble.

[Gerhard]

Gerhard- These drugs do not reduce PGD2 levels. they block PGD2 from latching on to a very specific receptor that controls inflammation in hair. apically you still have the same amount of PGD2 floating around and interacting with other receptors that have nothing to do with hair. Im not sure what the long term effects of blocking this specific receptor are, but if Kythera and UPenn are confident in its safety, and they are in phase3 for asthma on these drugs, then the risks cannot be too high. I just want to be able to use this for the 5 years or so until we have a cell based treatment. In any case this is not going to slighter your sex organs or your brain, the most it could possibly do is be worse for your hair in the long run, but i highly doubt that considering the interest that kythera has in the drug, and I'm losing my hair anyway, so ill take that gamble.

Thanks for clearing up that misunderstanding on my end. I hope you're right about the risks being low. Either way, I find their risks of side effects to be far more tolerable in theory than those of continued DHT blocking. Do you really think we'll have a cell based treatment by 2020? Honestly, the naysayers make a good point by stating that this has been "on the horizon" for decades. But either way, as a maintenance option I'd definitely like to use OC or Seti due to their lack of sexual sides and pray that OC works as well for me as it has for kingofchips on hairloss help. Sounds like a godsend when he talks about it and I know he's not pushing bullshit due to others who've verified his claims and now with Cotsarelis backing his results with the pgd2 blocker studies. I'd be willing to take the risk too. Like you said, it's worth the gamble. Hell, half the time I can't tell if I'm more stressed from hairloss or the possibility of spontaneous ED.

If I did get on the OC train could I theoretically taper off fin or would you recommend I stick with it?

[KO1]

I highly doubt cell based treatments are coming. This has been a failure for decade and half now.

[FeelsBad]

I don't mean to be a downer, but King of Chimps has also claimed many other things have completely stopped his hair loss over the years, including Eucapil and plain alcohol. I'm not sure he's he most reliable source, honestly.