My progress so far

[GroughBack]

Rizaan,

Here's my routine:

1. Saw palmetto, pumkin seed oil topical. Hairmetto

2. fish oil capsules 2 1000 mg a day

3. Saw palmetto, pumpkin seed vitamin and mineral complex. Hairomega 3 in 1 dht

4. Homemade powder made of mostly of garlic skin. Other ingredients in smaller amounts are: l-carnatine, niacin, melatonin, biotin, and b6.(put it all in a coffee grinder, and grind until the powder becomes the consistency of flour. ( takes forever, about 10 mins to get it this fine).

4. Vibrating Hair Brush

5. Shower cap

Take all supplements morning and night.


Before bed, I shake enough powder on my head till the scalp turns white(exfoliant ).
While this is on my head, i give myself a 15 min massage. I time it, or I do less . I use the bristle side of the vibrating brush first for 5 min to set the powder, then I flip the brush over to the other side that has several hard plasic nodules on it about the diameter of a quarter, and stick out a 1/4 inch each. Massage with this side for ten minutes. I can feel the scalp being pulled and it hurt slightly at first.
When the exfoliating of the scalp is finished, my scalp literally drinks the oil that I now apply AFTER not during the massage.
I apply the oil to my entire scalp, even on my forehead, put a shower cap on and go to sleep. The shape of my head is changing, by the amount of crud being removed. first month I only used the bristle side of the brush, until I read this http://www.jdmoyer.com/2015/04/13/hair/
Then shower daily pura d or blue label.
This has been every day for 4 months now, I will continue to take real pictures, should be interesting to see more and more hair when someone actually sticks to the same thing for a long time. Other than all of the new terminal hair, In one of the close ups you can see that follicles are waking up by the darker color, those did not appear that wsy four months ago, this was just high forehead with no sign of follicles at all.

[Rizaan]

Those are ****ING great results.


Hate to say this though, without Finasteride, or some anti DHT, your results
will be temporary. Even for a few years.


Best of luck.

That is from back in early 2015, I've lost more hair since then You are right about not taking anti-DHT treatments, but Propecia scares the shit out of me. I'm going to try natural remedies like Saw Palmetto

[Rizaan]

Rizaan,

Here's my routine:

1. Saw palmetto, pumkin seed oil topical. Hairmetto

2. fish oil capsules 2 1000 mg a day

3. Saw palmetto, pumpkin seed vitamin and mineral complex. Hairomega 3 in 1 dht

4. Homemade powder made of mostly of garlic skin. Other ingredients in smaller amounts are: l-carnatine, niacin, melatonin, biotin, and b6.(put it all in a coffee grinder, and grind until the powder becomes the consistency of flour. ( takes forever, about 10 mins to get it this fine).

4. Vibrating Hair Brush

5. Shower cap

Take all supplements morning and night.


Before bed, I shake enough powder on my head till the scalp turns white(exfoliant ).
While this is on my head, i give myself a 15 min massage. I time it, or I do less . I use the bristle side of the vibrating brush first for 5 min to set the powder, then I flip the brush over to the other side that has several hard plasic nodules on it about the diameter of a quarter, and stick out a 1/4 inch each. Massage with this side for ten minutes. I can feel the scalp being pulled and it hurt slightly at first.
When the exfoliating of the scalp is finished, my scalp literally drinks the oil that I now apply AFTER not during the massage.
I apply the oil to my entire scalp, even on my forehead, put a shower cap on and go to sleep. The shape of my head is changing, by the amount of crud being removed. first month I only used the bristle side of the brush, until I read this http://www.jdmoyer.com/2015/04/13/hair/
Then shower daily pura d or blue label.
This has been every day for 4 months now, I will continue to take real pictures, should be interesting to see more and more hair when someone actually sticks to the same thing for a long time. Other than all of the new terminal hair, In one of the close ups you can see that follicles are waking up by the darker color, those did not appear that wsy four months ago, this was just high forehead with no sign of follicles at all.

Here in India Hairmetto and Hairomega are imported and are very expensive, so I'll try buying Saw palmetto oil and pumpkin seed out separately, and I'll mix them with jojoba oil (carrier) and massage in topically, which will do the job of the vibrating brush by increasing circulation.
Do you think the fish oil capsules and the homemade powder are worth it? They seem like a pain in the *ss. Will you try anything from this site i posted about on another thread: https://www.hairlossrevolution.com/clean-scalp/ ? What about derma rolling?

[Rizaan]

I apply the oil to my entire scalp, even on my forehead, put a shower cap on and go to sleep. The shape of my head is changing, by the amount of crud being removed. first month I only used the bristle side of the brush, until I read this http://www.jdmoyer.com/2015/04/13/hair/

I'm not sure I believe that. He's trying to sell that ebook and there's no guarantee what he says works. But do you perform that massage anyway? Do you have anything to share about it that I could try?

[k9gatton]

Minoxidil works just as well on the hairline and vertex, so you made a smart
decision applying it on both places.


Shedding should only be a one time thing for all follicles it comes
in contact. If not, it's the androgen DHT causing the baldness.


Unfortunately Minoxidil is temporary, when used alone.


One milligram of Finasteride combined with Minoxidil should do the
trick.


Finasteride regrowth on it's own is possible to regrow
sixty percent lost, but can take up to two years.


Combined, usually you might get up to 85% regrowth.

[GroughBack]

No, Just with the massage brush. Garlic skin powder is important I think, it is a pain. But seems to be whats working.

[Rizaan]

Minoxidil works just as well on the hairline and vertex, so you made a smart
decision applying it on both places.


Shedding should only be a one time thing for all follicles it comes
in contact. If not, it's the androgen DHT causing the baldness.


Unfortunately Minoxidil is temporary, when used alone.


One milligram of Finasteride combined with Minoxidil should do the
trick.


Finasteride regrowth on it's own is possible to regrow
sixty percent lost, but can take up to two years.


Combined, usually you might get up to 85% regrowth.

I most likely wouldn't have lost so much density if I had started using Ketoconazole early on but my dumb*ss dermatologist didn't even mention it the first time I went to her. i most likely will get regrowth with Finesteride but I'm scared of any side effects. I think most people get at least some minor effects that build up gradually. How many people who take this drug get regular blood hormone tests and sperm count done? I bet most don't. Some people develop prostate problems while on the drug while others when they stop taking it since their bodies had gotten so used to its effects.
DHT is meant to be in our body, greatly reducing its synthesis will have consequences, which is why I think it would be best to do it using something not as strong such as Saw Palmetto (when ingested), and best when used topically since it would directly affect the scalp.

From reading your comments, I know you use a combination of drugs including progesterone. But that's a female hormone. Aren't you worried about side effects like gynaecomastia etc / do you have any such problems?

[GroughBack]

I would lik to see your b4 and afters K9. Studies that are paid for are great....but???

[k9gatton]

Always had a little bit of gynaecomastia, before the Progesterone. Only tried Progesterone since January 2015. It hasn't made it worse.


Not worried, because Liposuction surgery can take the fat out

It really hasn't effected my libido, which is average
for a man my age (in late forties). At my point in life I just want my hair back.


Saw Pametto is an herb, so it could be just as bad. As far as U.S., it's not really studied a lot

[Rizaan]

I know there hasn't been much research onnatural methods but a lot of people have reported it works; be it on here or reviews on amazon or other sites in general. I haven't heard of side effects yet, it's not as strong a DHT blocker as finesteride. Horsetail is said to block DHT as well, but it contains nicotine and I don't want that in my body.

[Rizaan]

No, Just with the massage brush. Garlic skin powder is important I think, it is a pain. But seems to be whats working.

But what about the head massages you mentioned? Any details on how you perform them?

[k9gatton]

I would lik to see your b4 and afters K9. Studies that are paid for are great....but???

Here they are. Just took one today, for you.

2013 - Hair was at it's worst. Was between Norwood 4 and 5:


Pictures from today. See how much hair I've regrown?

The one on the right is today - March 5th, 2017

Left is August 2013.

[GroughBack]

Much better K9, can be done without the drugs too. And think it does a better job on the V. Here's one from friday, only four months in, and much more on the way.https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/album....chmentid=51153

[Rizaan]

Much better K9, can be done without the drugs too. And think it does a better job on the V. Here's one from friday, only four months in, and much more on the way.https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/album....chmentid=51153

Why are you not responding to my question?

[GroughBack]

Because it sounds like you wont be able to get what needed, I think that the extraction process of hairmetto is important, take a look at their website it says its CO2 extracted.
I also think the saw palmetto pumpkin seed and mineral complex s important. I saw on another thread that your not going to take saw pallmetto. I dont think you'd get the results without hairmetto, and internal complex. Shedding is normal with anything that works.