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  • gascoigne
    Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 59

    Importance of hair and looks

    Hello forum friend, not being here for a while, read some new post in last days.
    This post is going to be H U G E. I dont expect everyone to read it.
    First, dont take this as me "playing clever" or trying to give the ABSOLUTE truth.
    I write this becouse i want to share my for years accumulated opinions and toughts and find out what do you think.

    Soul, God/religion and honesty "arguments" are, in my opinion, delusional and overrated. Life is different.
    There is no major difference between our lives and football match or street race. Its all about competition and success.
    Over the time, our cultures developed different forms of diminishing "cruel reality" as we feel fear and insecurity in admitting that life is just a pure, materialistic fight. Its safer and more appropriate to be/act like nice and humble.

    To achieve any success on any field, we need the tool. Nothing will fall from sky. Even for jack pot lottery we have to give a chance by buying a "tool" - lottery ticket. No one loves Coca Cola becouse its owners are humble and honest or becouse that company gives a lot of money for charity. We drink it becouse its GOOD. It got quality. No one likes Ferrari in F1 becouse Schumacher or Jean Todd were sweet, carying guys who love to give warm Christmas speeches. We like it becouse itd GOOD, its winning. Later we may add "soul argument" to those stories by saying that we love to dring Coca Cola with brother and have nice memories on Ferrari watching with best friend.

    Now, coming down to relation man - woman (same "rules" are applicable in homosexual cases).
    Just like in exampley above, we all like QUALITY. We want to consume it. Our lives is all about consuming. And we all also want, more or less, same thing. I am sorry but "we are all different" and "beauty is in eye of beholder" arguments are invalid. We ALL want Mercedes rather than Dacia or Seat. We ALL want bigger house rather than smaller. We ALL want good, delicious food rather than social aid meals and tin chicken. We ALL want symetrical white teeth rather than yellow and aslant.
    And yes, we ALMOST ALL like attractive women. Attractive = white teeth, small face, long hair, firm emphasized boobs, firm emphasized ass.
    Taste issue and "beholder beauty" issue comes in the story but only when talking about different types inside of certain class. So, someone like blonde hair, other like black hair. Someone like boobs size 3, other like it 4. Somone like Mercedes, other like BMW. Someone like white walls in his CLASSY house, other like yellow walls in his CLASSY house. NONE like awfull old cars, stinky small flats, ugly and fat girls. However, many use it as they cant have better.
    This is not shallow, this is not ignorant or superficial. This is the way we are. It is our inborn, imminent need. Just like we have to eat. I am not saying that world is great or even good, but it is like this for thousand of centuries, there is no other.

    To attract and keep a woman, you need to have a tool. Major and most popular tools are:
    1.Appearance
    2.Money/Power
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    8.Sense for humor, good talking, social skills
    9.Inteligence/Education/Versatility
    10.Good, heedful, humble and modest heart
    *I purposely omitted power of FAME, since 95% of peopple dont have it and cant achive it. Fame is definetly most powerful tool. However, there are rare examples of fame without money, so it bassicly comes to same.

    1. Appearance(looks) is first and most important tool/quality when attracting opposite gender. It provides same success with young as well as older females. It is also the most permanent tool since good look with some effort and little luck can last 20-40 (great) and 40-55 (good). For young girls, you dont need much money if you have 1. Just enough to have nice clean clothes and hygene. Second, most of young girls are not gold diggers. Money-must-have are about 25% among hot young girls. Also for older good looking ladies (35-45) years appearance beats money in 85% cases.

    2. Money/power: Almost always money = power. However, there are rare cases where man can have power without money, like when some young guy is dons or kingpins favourite and becouse of him have all benefits : flashy cars, free tables in disco, free cocain etc etc.
    Further, money can achieve a lot. You dont need to be good looking guy 4/10, 50/10 is enough. You will have no bigger problems attracting 8/10 and 9/10 girls. But, why appearance is at 1 and money 2? No matter how much money you have, you CANT be fat or really ugly. Even if you score some gold digger 8.5/10, she will never be in love with you and it will be a matter of time when some good looking guy will have her behind your back.

    Looks AND money is all win situation and no matter what "game", talking, social skills and personality we have, 95% of hot girls and ladies are available.

    Back to appearance section: modern day (last 100-200 years also) good looking qualities are height, athletic body, wide shoulders, symetric face, nice white teeth, preferable dark hair clean and gentle skin, also better darker than white and pale.
    As we can see, there is no question is hair need or not, it is even the dark hair in more preferable position. Three major aestethic handicaps you can have are: being short, being fat and being bald. Those are three "golden" rules. It is now know what is more repulsive to women.

    It may be sad and disappointing but kindness, social skills, number of read books, good hear are almost TOTALLY irrelevant when it comes to attracting hot female examples. It may be added as bonus, and later. Pure and simple argument for this: it is almost impossible to find good looking girl with fat guy; it is very hard to find gl girl with bald guy (unless he is rich, high positioned, or powerful in crime milieu).
    No woman LIKE fat guys, no woman LIKE bald guys. It is just that some of them, who are not good looking either, have to settle down for fat or bald guy. Having just one of those handicaps you can look 5/10 at most! However, height issue is something we are born with and short people have it as part of their identity since they are born. Fat people can do a lost about their problems sto this is also somewhat "mild". Hair loss a 8/10 guy put down to 5/10 in a second.
    There are two reasons for this:
    a) practical (bottom of our face is chin and top is hair. When guy is above NW2.5 he lose his hairline and face proportion are put off balance. Therefor, hairline and hair on top are requierd to frame our face. Effect of this disproportion is oversized forehead. This is why is better to be NW1 with bald vertex).
    b) cultural (there is big negative stigma on baldness, pop culture and mass media influenced this stigma big time, becouse of this, almost no girl want to be with someone who society percieve as unattractive. This is why even NW1 with balding vertex is still considered as bald guy).
  • J_B_Davis
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 409

    #2
    Success and responsible looks trumps extremely good looking losers every time. A great looking man who has no direction after age 25 will never get the real quality, hot women a successful guy will get. Women might talk about “hot” guys, but in the end landing a reasonable looking, successful guy gives them more status in the world and among their peers. The hotter the woman, the more they gravitate towards success as apposed to looks. Most young guys don’t get that.

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    • Notcoolanymore
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2013
      • 2260

      #3
      Originally posted by J_B_Davis
      Success and responsible looks trumps extremely good looking losers every time. A great looking man who has no direction after age 25 will never get the real quality, hot women a successful guy will get. Women might talk about “hot” guys, but in the end landing a reasonable looking, successful guy gives them more status in the world and among their peers. The hotter the woman, the more they gravitate towards success as apposed to looks. Most young guys don’t get that.
      Bingo! You can get by just on looks when you are young. Once you hit your mid to late 20's(maybe even sooner) you have to bring something else to the table. Before some of you have a heart attack, I will say that yes women will still consider your looks, but that alone will not guarantee you success with the best women.

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      • 35YrsAfter
        Doctor Representative
        • Aug 2012
        • 1421

        #4
        Couldn't have said it better.

        Chuck

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        • gascoigne
          Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 59

          #5
          You are not correct. Read my post carefuly.

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          • J_B_Davis
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 409

            #6
            Originally posted by gascoigne
            You are not correct. Read my post carefuly.
            I think I read your post quite carefully. In your opinion we may be wrong, but many people probably agree with our comments.

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            • Dan26
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2012
              • 1270

              #7
              You are confusing attraction and arousal.

              Ofcourse men and woman both will be aroused and perhaps lust after someone based soley off looked. But that doesn't neccesarilly make them attractive to the other person. It doesn't make them want to invest emotionally.

              If you saw some hot young college girl who was dumb as bricks sure you would want to get in bed with her but your attraction to her would not have to be much.

              Flip side ofcourse woman want short term flings with guys who arouse them and dont have anything more to offer but they may not be attracted to these men and invest emotionally in them.

              Also consider men are more visual creatures while woman respond to behavioral cues

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              • Sogeking
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2011
                • 497

                #8
                Yes this world is definitely based on looks to some regard. Looks can help you win in the competition of life you so described but winning might not mean happiness. If you are miserable, a good looking woman won't make you stop being miserable.
                Its like getting a new car, you get the new car but sooner or later you find yourself wanting something more (in most cases).

                Don't know about you guys but my goal is to be happy, however not at the cost of happiness of others.

                I want a beautiful loving woman in my life and I think hair might be a small step that will make me more confident and better looking reaching that goal. But getting a beautiful woman does not depend on the looks alone. Looks are fleeting.

                Hair or no hair I still ask myself the same question from time to time: "What is the purpose of life?"

                There is no answer and there are a lot of answers to that question. It ain't hair though and it ain't looks...

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                • J_B_Davis
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 409

                  #9
                  Great responses! There are too many young guys on these boards who honestly believe that without model looks, life is barley worth living. This could not be further from the truth. It’s about being happy! Women want men who take responsibility for their own lives and happiness. Am I perfectly content having to deal with hair loss, hell no, but it's what I have to deal with and I do my best to live my life to the fullest. Women sense this and see it as an attractive trait. It’s part of the whole success package.

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                  • 35YrsAfter
                    Doctor Representative
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 1421

                    #10
                    Originally posted by J_B_Davis
                    Great responses! There are too many young guys on these boards who honestly believe that without model looks, life is barley worth living. This could not be further from the truth. It’s about being happy! Women want men who take responsibility for their own lives and happiness. Am I perfectly content having to deal with hair loss, hell no, but it's what I have to deal with and I do my best to live my life to the fullest. Women sense this and see it as an attractive trait. It’s part of the whole success package.
                    Couldn't agree more.

                    Chuck

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                    • gascoigne
                      Member
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 59

                      #11
                      You sure are bunching around the bush.
                      My point is that you CANT GET ATTRACTIVE WOMAN if you too dont look good! And hairloss has BIG impact on our looks.
                      I didnt say you cant be happy.
                      Bonus, yes, you can get attractive woman if you are rich, but that is pathetic and humiliating as she will never truly feel lust for you.

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                      • J_B_Davis
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 409

                        #12
                        Originally posted by gascoigne
                        You sure are bunching around the bush.
                        My point is that you CANT GET ATTRACTIVE WOMAN if you too dont look good! And hairloss has BIG impact on our looks.
                        I didnt say you cant be happy.
                        Bonus, yes, you can get attractive woman if you are rich, but that is pathetic and humiliating as she will never truly feel lust for you.
                        You must be VERY young! What you’re saying is rarely true in the adult world. Women “lust” and are turned on by many different things. Women are not like men. Most women would be turned on more by feeling sexy or attractive themselves. It’s actually more about them than it is about you. What’s pathetic is that there are so many young guys who actually believe the type of stuff you are posting. You don't have to live with these beliefs. They are not true in most cases.

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                        • topcat
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 849

                          #13
                          I have to respond here as my life experience is unique having spent most of it in the night club industry and not just that, everything that is associated with it that happens outside of it.

                          Yes some women will settle for status as it’s an easier meal ticket and women for the most part want to have babies and they need a man in order for that to happen. So yes they are with that person but very often secretly in their mind they want the real man. The man that acts like a man because that is the only way he knows how to act.

                          Learning to act like a man can only happen from the cues you pick up in your youth. Mostly from your parents interaction and also those outside the family structure. If the father is more masculine chances are you too will be the same because he treats you only like he knows his father treated him. For instance many animals in nature will wrestle with their young in order to create an aggressiveness they need to survive. My father always wrestled with both my brother and myself. Same goes for the uncles it was all natural. This does transfer over into adulthood.

                          My dad once brought home a painting that one his female customers gave him. Did he hang it up on the wall…………of course he did. Was my mother upset about it……………..no he was being a man and that is what attracted her to him. Did I realize this cue at the time…………….no of course not, it was just part of growing up. Now multiple those cues by the thousands and that is who you slowly become deep inside. The core of who you are, it all happens in those formative years. Chances are what your father cared about is what you care about. It almost becomes an ego thing to create a smaller version of themselves.

                          Can you change as an adult to be more masculine……………………probably very hard to do and only under extreme circumstances.

                          Women are not in general looking for a pretty boy for a life partner……………it’s too feminine for most. The guys that really obsess about their hair don’t realize it’s too feminine of a trait. It’s okay to look good but do not obsess about it you become like a woman…………………don’t you get it.

                          Many women cannot stand to be around a guy that is too wimpy……………it’s just a fact. I even find myself being very irritated by a man that does not act like a man. A friend of my wife’s son has been staying with us. He is about 30 and I have to admit it’s almost like he needs to have his assed kicked. He’s a good guy but geezze ………….man up already. Over the winter here in Chicago he asked me if I was going out to do sprints in the below zero weather. Of course I’m going…………….what’s the problem……….what happens if you are in a situation where you need to work outside in the weather or hunt for food…………….oh it’s too cold out………………..I’m not sure he gets it as many others don’t seem too either. This is only one example now multiple that by hundreds and the same thing I see a women will see and for most it is a complete turn off.

                          Most men are attracted to very feminine women………………..same goes for women they in turn are really attracted to masculine men……………….but of course they will settle. When a woman hits 30………..it’s all bell, sirens and flashing lights………………………and that her own circle gets hitched and starts a family the louder and brighter it all gets.

                          So have some status and act like a man.

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                          • 35YrsAfter
                            Doctor Representative
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 1421

                            #14
                            Originally posted by J_B_Davis
                            You must be VERY young! What you’re saying is rarely true in the adult world. Women “lust” and are turned on by many different things. Women are not like men. Most women would be turned on more by feeling sexy or attractive themselves. It’s actually more about them than it is about you. What’s pathetic is that there are so many young guys who actually believe the type of stuff you are posting. You don't have to live with these beliefs. They are not true in most cases.
                            This is very true. Very young men often don't comprehend this. Often, honest women will even tell men these things out of frustration. It took years of marriage for these male, female differences to sink into my head. Men just don't see life the way women do and we often assume women view life the way we do.

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                            • topcat
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2009
                              • 849

                              #15
                              Young guys just don’t get it………..they want to be Justin Bieber their whole life and have the Justin Bieber hairline. Even Justin Bieber knows he can no longer be Justin Bieber and has to be something else. You can look at any teen age type heartthrob throughout the years and for the most part each and every one of them had to become something else as the hairline and all that goes with it appeals only to the teeny bopper or the twenty something that is still a teeny bopper.

                              When you see these pop stars reinventing themselves they do it because they have to, as the teeny bopper thing no longer works. They all do it because there is no choice if they want to continue being a pop star.

                              Stop obsessing about a teeny bopper hairline it’s not something a mature woman cares about. Yes take care of yourself but do not become a woman along the way by obsessing about it……………………most women find it a huge turn off.

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