and how is Gaz doing?

[caddarik79]

Gaz, if you read me,

1) congratz for your new life as a daddy, I hope you have a wonderful time adapting ;-)

2) how is life with your HASCI hairs? what's next? how much more would you need to be totally OK?

No breaking news from Gho & co?

[Arashi]

I have SOME news ... Or at least something that might interest you: I was discussing HASCI on the dutch forum and how there is so much doubt about hasci and how their ONLY proof is that article in that magazine... So I thought, let's contact that magazine to ask some questions, how they reviewed everything etc. Turned out the magazine is Dutch, so I wrote the guy this email. Translation:

Dear Mr. van de Kerkhof,

In your journal, Journal of Dermatological Treatment, Dr Coen Gho has some time ago published an article in which a technique was described with which 85% of the follicles supposedly would grow back after transplantation: http://www.hasci.com/uploads/files/N..._treatment.pdf ...

Now, there are some serious doubts about this technique:

1) To date, no one could reproduce it. Some doctors have tried, including Dr. Mousseige from France, Dr. Mwamba from Belgium and Dr. Nigam from India. None of them reported success thus far.

2) Analysis of photographs of a patient shows that either no regrowth took place at all or a percentage way below 85%.

3) Dr. Gho refuses to participate in independent tests, like a test in which 50 grafts would be transplanted.

4) There is as yet no known case of a patient who was transformed in a way that wouldnt be possible with ordinary FUE.

In short, the only 'proof' of their technique is that article in your magazine. Therefore, I am very curious if and how this has been reviewed? Could you elaborate a bit on this please ?

He then replied:

The referee process is not public but private. I can not help you.

If you want a discussion about the work you can do so, of course, through a letter to the editor. Where we can ask a reply from the authors. For the publication of letters to the editor, we can ask the advice of a referee.

Best regards and thanks for your interest

Prof. PCM van de Kerkhof

So in short, they didnt even want to tell how they examined HASCI's claims !! This struck me as quite weird. If they had nothing to hide, why not just say something about the way the looked at HASCI ? How they verified the pictures were not fake etc ?

Instead, they say I would have to send them an official letter which would then MAYBE be publicized in their journal and then they would ask HASCI for a response, LOL.

[joachim]

who knows... maybe Gho paid the magazine for the article.
or the journalists have no scientific background at all and have been tricked somehow with before/after pictures or something like that.

it's beyond me how doctors can make such regeneration claims for years and get away with it, making tons of cash. to me this case even counts as fraud. why is it even legal at all?

there were people in the past few years who claimed they have created a perpetuum mobile. after they failed to show proof but still claimed the same facts for years, they were official fraudsters and even put it in jail. that's no joke.

you can't claim some bullshit theories in medicine and science for years in a legal way.

i think we should hire a professional journalist to investigate in this a little bit more. people like Gho shouldn't get attention because of false claims. he's only an FUE surgeon, that's all. probably one of the better ones, but not a VIP hair god.

[Arashi]

who knows... maybe Gho paid the magazine for the article.

Yeah I think that's exactly what's happened.

it's beyond me how doctors can make such regeneration claims for years and get away with it, making tons of cash. to me this case even counts as fraud. why is it even legal at all?

It really pisses me off. I'm really allergic to fraudsters and I'm SURE hasci falls in that category. I wish we had some way to expose them with 100% undeniable proof. But since hasci doesnt agree to 50 graft tests, it's just impossible

[joachim]

Yeah I think that's exactly what's happened.



It really pisses me off. I'm really allergic to fraudsters and I'm SURE hasci falls in that category. I wish we had some way to expose them with 100% undeniable proof. But since hasci doesnt agree to 50 graft tests, it's just impossible

isn't it in our responsibility to initiate some next steps here, in the interest of all hairloss sufferers?
getting the media into this... contact some newspapers to investigate this.
Gho has always the chance to show proof, but if he refuses then there should be some serious consequences.

[Arashi]

isn't it in our responsibility to initiate some next steps here, in the interest of all hairloss sufferers?
getting the media into this... contact some newspapers to investigate this.
Gho has always the chance to show proof, but if he refuses then there should be some serious consequences.

But how? We don't have 100% proof, only circumstantial evidence. Writing a letter to that magazine is pointless too, they will never admit they didn't look good at hasci. Gho doesn't want a test. So I think our only option would be to do it ourselves and get someone to do some minimal amount of grafts like 500 and photograph everything. But that would be a huge amount of work...

[Arashi]

So in short, all we have that's supposed to function as proof of their technique is an article they got published in a magazine, with some bold claims and some unclear photo's. The magazine doesn't even want to tell if they did any research into these claims. So for all we know, they didnt even look into it. Or they did look into it quickly but didnt even try to verify if the photo's were real.

So in short, there's no proof at all of hasci's claims. It are just claims. And if we look at Gaz's results, it's obvious that those claims were not correct for him. MAYBE some regrowth did happen, but Gaz also agreed that IF some regrowth did happen, it was nowhere near the 85% hasci still advertises with (somebody on the Dutch forum was just last week told again by hasci that 85% would grow back!)