Why is baldness seen as an old man's disease?

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  • baldozer
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 752

    Why is baldness seen as an old man's disease?

    While in reality most of the people losing their hair are young men. If you have the baldness gene, you would start noticing hair loss as soon as in your teens. If you haven't lost hair till 30, you are almost guaranteed to keep your hair. This is because your testosterone levels and subsequently your DHT levels drop significantly after you reach 30. If higher levels of DHT couldn't cause hair loss in your 20s, why would it cause hairloss after 30? Some men do start to lose hair after 30, but that is more in the female baldness pattern, that is diffused thinning, due to the rising estrogen levels.
  • Jcm800
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 2627

    #2
    I started losing it late 20's, I'm nearly 45 and still thinning, albeit very slowly. Starting to show now, that's for sure.

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    • Morbo
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 263

      #3
      Personally I think there's a big difference between 'hairloss' and 'balding'. And to be frank, the majority of men going visually going bald are 40 plus. There is no denying that.

      Edit: I don't have much time right now, but just want to add that your theory about the age thing and diffuse thinning somehow being connected to 'female pattern baldness' and estrogen levels is utterly and hilariously wrong. Not sure where you get this stuff.

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      • baldozer
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2012
        • 752

        #4
        Originally posted by Jcm800
        I started losing it late 20's, I'm nearly 45 and still thinning, albeit very slowly. Starting to show now, that's for sure.
        That is what I said, that is, those that start to lose hair late (like you) lose it in a female baldness pattern (diffuse thinning).

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        • baldozer
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 752

          #5
          Originally posted by Morbo
          Personally I think there's a big difference between 'hairloss' and 'balding'. And to be frank, the majority of men going visually going bald are 40 plus. There is no denying that.

          Edit: I don't have much time right now, but just want to add that your theory about the age thing and diffuse thinning somehow being connected to 'female pattern baldness' and estrogen levels is utterly and hilariously wrong. Not sure where you get this stuff.
          How can you say that. At NW3, you are visibly bald, and most men with baldness gene reach NW3 much earlier than 40. I was a NW3 at 18.

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          • Jcm800
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 2627

            #6
            Yeah guess I am more diffuse, but whatever.. The end game is going to be a high NW for me..

            Unlike my 49 yr older brother.. He has a solid head of hair, zero loss.

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            • baldozer
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 752

              #7
              Originally posted by Morbo
              Personally I think there's a big difference between 'hairloss' and 'balding'. And to be frank, the majority of men going visually going bald are 40 plus. There is no denying that.

              Edit: I don't have much time right now, but just want to add that your theory about the age thing and diffuse thinning somehow being connected to 'female pattern baldness' and estrogen levels is utterly and hilariously wrong. Not sure where you get this stuff.
              No, its not wrong. You would notice that even men with NW0 have thin hair at 60+.

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              • Morbo
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 263

                #8
                Originally posted by baldozer
                No, its not wrong. You would notice that even men with NW0 have thin hair at 60+.
                The fact that your testosterone and dht levels (very gradually) decrease as you get older really is the only thing you got right in that post of yours. Allow me with to further elaborate tomorrow.

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                • Jcm800
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 2627

                  #9
                  Don't know if it has any relevance to Estrogen levels, but I always look like a slim ectomorph, carrying some weight now tho, six pack is a two pack. Guess that's aging tho?

                  Still wonder if Fin would be of benefit to someone like me..

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                  • Dr. Lindsey
                    IAHRS Recommended Hair Transplant Surgeon
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 6176

                    #10
                    Hair loss hits guys at about 10% per decade of life....meaning about 20% of guys in their 20s are losing their hair and about 70% of guys in their 70s are, although by that age even "good haired" guys will be seeing all the hairs themselves thinning.

                    I suspect its thought of as an old guy's problem for a couple of reasons.

                    First...guys get sensitive when they look different than their peers...higher forehead, crown thinning...makes a man wonder, even the most secure man.

                    Second...other people, male and female comment on these differences...As a facial plastic surgeon I all the time hear female patients receiving snide comments about crowsfeet, bags under the eyes They are just as insecure as us balding guys

                    Third...hollywood stereotyping has beaten all of this into our psyche.

                    Fourth...it is part of the aging process...for better or worse our genes and luck hit some of us in the hair area.

                    For my part, if we can take a guy with significant loss up front and give him a hairline that will be acceptable at age 40-50, that is a fight worth taking every time. But if you have a really young guy with a crown problem and genes that suggest he might lose a lot of hair...I personally try to get them to hold off. Unfortunately a good number of these guys, at least in our area, go for a crown case and then are lacking in donor hair a few years later when they really need it up front.

                    Remember hair is the finite resource, not money, spend it wisely.

                    Dr. Lindsey
                    William Lindsey, MD
                    Member, International Alliance of Hair Restoration Surgeons
                    View my IAHRS Profile

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                    • gillenator
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 1417

                      #11
                      IMHO, it has far more to do with the genetic disposition we receive at the time of conception. We simply can't change our genetic make-up.

                      The hormonal changes including those that are produced as we age also have a major impact on hair caliber, hair density, pigmentation, and overall hair quality.

                      Yet take a guy like John Kerry who appears to retain the same level of density and caliber but has lost all pigmentation.

                      Not many men his age with a head of hair like that!
                      "Gillenator"
                      Independent Patient Advocate
                      more.hair@verizon.net

                      NOTE: I am not a physician and not employed by any doctor/clinic. My opinions are not medical advice nor are they the opinions of the following endorsing physicians: Dr. Bob True & Dr. Bob Dorin

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                      • PatientlyWaiting
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 1639

                        #12
                        Does any one know the history of MPB, specifically what was the rate in which 18-21 year olds lost hair? I am aware that is has gotten worse over the centuries, the biggest possibility being diet.

                        Just because humans made an old man's disease now also a young man's disease, doesn't mean it's natural or it was supposed to be that way.

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                        • fred970
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 924

                          #13
                          It hasn't gotten worse. What makes you say that? Do you have any proof? People just like to state that, because they think they see a lot more young people balding.

                          The sad truth is that, it was already the case for previous generations. My grandfather told me there were balding 18 years old with him in the army.

                          It's not diet, just the genes, as it always has been.

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                          • Mike K
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 199

                            #14
                            Honestly it usually is an old man disease. We are all just extremely unlucky. It's not 50% until 50 so until age 50 half of all guys have all their hair.

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                            • fred970
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 924

                              #15
                              It's just that, it always happens at some point in adulthood, or late teens. So it's more likely to see older people missing their hair, because they had to lose it at a point before. Are you following my not so twisted logic?

                              The fact is that as Spencer always say in the introduction of his show: 2/3 will be suffering from hair loss by the age of 35. There are a lot of people suffering from hair loss that are only in their twenties.

                              Do you really know that much people who sport a full head of hair until they are 70, then start balding? Hair loss is not an old man's disease, this is just a misconception in my opinion. You can thank the media and hollywood for that.

                              Hair loss is just genetic, and it can happen to anyone who's entered puberty.

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