saw palmetto does it work ?

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  • thechamp
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 1770

    saw palmetto does it work ?

    saw palmetto does it work ?
  • Notcoolanymore
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2013
    • 2260

    #2
    The first hair loss product I tried was a product called Procerin, pretty much a high does of saw palmetto and other natural stuff. Garbage didn't work. Will never waste my time with it again.

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    • burtandernie
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 1568

      #3
      Well the answer is never as simple as people want. My experience was saw palmetto did do something for me, but it might not for you. Did it help my hair loss? No idea but it helped with my itch so I think it did slightly. I think a big dismissed factor is not whether you took saw palmetto but how you took it. I think pills that are powder dont work the same as what I took which was liquid gel caps standardized to 320mg at least they claim that. Absorbtion is a huge factor much like how topical spiro in a better vehicle might stop MPB but we all think its just a weak AA because the formulation we buy seems to do nothing or barely work at least for me and thats the general consensus around here.
      Even if saw palmetto works for you though I think its much weaker then propecia so its probably better to just use propecia or just accept MPB. I quit saw palmetto because I figured why take risks with something unproven verses using the real legit thing?

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      • akai
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 231

        #4
        Doesn't saw palmetto inhibit both forms of 5AR? If you're susceptible to sides from lowering DHT you're probably going to get them regardless if it's lowered from a FDA approved drug or a supplement. I'd stick with the approved medication. If natural supplements worked so well everyone would be using them.

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        • burtandernie
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 1568

          #5
          Yeah I got sides from saw palmetto, but it did have fin like affects on me. I honestly would feel safer taking propecia though then you at least know its going to work for your hair

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          • PatientlyWaiting
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 1639

            #6
            Originally posted by Notcoolanymore
            The first hair loss product I tried was a product called Procerin, pretty much a high does of saw palmetto and other natural stuff. Garbage didn't work. Will never waste my time with it again.
            Procerin was the first product I ever tried as well. I was 17 years old. I Agree it was garbage.

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            • Notcoolanymore
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2013
              • 2260

              #7
              Originally posted by PatientlyWaiting
              Procerin was the first product I ever tried as well. I was 17 years old. I Agree it was garbage.
              They also have a money back guarantee which was complete garbage. The only thing Procerin did for me was change my pee color. God, if I would have found fin back then...

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              • PatientlyWaiting
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 1639

                #8
                Originally posted by Notcoolanymore
                They also have a money back guarantee which was complete garbage. The only thing Procerin did for me was change my pee color. God, if I would have found fin back then...
                LOL yes, green pee right? I remember that.

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                • Cob984
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 526

                  #9
                  SAW PALMETO doesnt block 5ar, i believe it reduces dht uptake at follicles only, not sure if its successful at it, i get no cognitive sides from it of any kind which clearly means its not a 5ar inhibitor, i get massive brain fog on fin which is absent with sp.
                  its also a lot less effective than fin, but it is better than nothing, it helps a little,

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                  • burtandernie
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 1568

                    #10
                    After using it personally I do think saw palmetto does something, but its anyone guess what or if it actually helps hair. I think though you want gel caps and liquid form for better absorbtion I am not sold on the idea a pill filled with dust gets absorbed the same. Its all very complex so who knows.

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                    • akai
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 231

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Cob984
                      SAW PALMETO doesnt block 5ar, i believe it reduces dht uptake at follicles only, not sure if its successful at it, i get no cognitive sides from it of any kind which clearly means its not a 5ar inhibitor, i get massive brain fog on fin which is absent with sp.
                      its also a lot less effective than fin, but it is better than nothing, it helps a little,
                      Yes, it does:

                      SPET-085 effectively inhibits the enzyme that has been linked to BPH, and the amount of extract required for activity is very low compared to data reported for other extracts. It can be concluded from data in the literature that SPET-085 is as effective as a hexane extract of saw palmetto that exhib …


                      Saw palmetto extract (SPE) has been widely used for the treatment of lower urinary tract symptoms secondary to benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). The mechanisms of the pharmacological effects of SPE include the inhibition of 5alpha-reductase, among other actions. Clinical studies of SPE have been equivocal, with some showing significant results and others not. These inconsistent results may be due, in part, to varying bioactivities of the SPE used in the studies.

                      This is why I'm always cautious and a bit skeptical when reading anecdotal evidence.

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                      • Cob984
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 526

                        #12
                        It does not, i am 100% , i get the fogginess to a very minor degree on revivogen, a little stronger on keratene and very strong on Fin, all 5ar inhibitors

                        do not experience this on sp, RU or spiro etc, clearly sp is not blocking 5ar

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                        • akai
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 231

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cob984
                          It does not, i am 100% , i get the fogginess to a very minor degree on revivogen, a little stronger on keratene and very strong on Fin, all 5ar inhibitors

                          do not experience this on sp, RU or spiro etc, clearly sp is not blocking 5ar
                          Is this a troll post?

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                          • Cob984
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 526

                            #14
                            why dont you look around jerkoff ull see sp is a lot less effective if at all compared to fin, if it also blocked 5ar it would have to logically work for hair

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                            • akai
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 231

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Cob984
                              why dont you look around jerkoff ull see sp is a lot less effective if at all compared to fin, if it also blocked 5ar it would have to logically work for hair
                              So because you did not experience side effects on saw palmetto that means it has no effect on 5ar? Do you think anecdotal evidence is more convincing than scientific studies carried out by medical professionals?

                              In different cell systems, the lipido-sterolic extract of Serenoa repens (LSESr, Permixon inhibits both type 1 and type 2 5alpha-reductase activity (5alphaR1 and 5alphaR2). LSESr is mainly constituted of fatty acids (90+/-5%) essentially as free fatty acids (80%). Among these free fatty acids, the m …


                              Inhibition of type 1 and type 2 5alpha-reductase activity by free fatty acids, active ingredients of Permixon (a brand of standardized saw palmetto extract).

                              Never said it was comparable to fin at all, from what I've read I don't think it's strong enough to do anything meaningful regarding hair loss.

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