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Originally Posted by Dav7
Again, it's worth looking into and to give a shot to see how things pan out. What non-Big3 supplements/ topics do you use?
I use biotin, MSM, viviscal, and emu oil. I am not suggesting that any of these are highly effective and preventing hair loss but I am in a unique situation where I don't have many option. I do feel that they improve the quality of my hair.
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Originally Posted by ryan555
I use biotin, MSM, viviscal, and emu oil. I am not suggesting that any of these are highly effective and preventing hair loss but I am in a unique situation where I don't have many option. I do feel that they improve the quality of my hair.
I see. What benefits would these provide the average MPB sufferer already on the Big 3, I mean if it's effective at thickening hair, improving blood flow to the scalp or whatever else it might do, then I'd look into it. But I am already spending a fair amount on fin, min and ket, so I want to be sure that an extra cash is spent on reputable products. Cheers
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Originally Posted by Dav7
I see. What benefits would these provide the average MPB sufferer already on the Big 3, I mean if it's effective at thickening hair, improving blood flow to the scalp or whatever else it might do, then I'd look into it. But I am already spending a fair amount on fin, min and ket, so I want to be sure that an extra cash is spent on reputable products. Cheers
If you're already on the big 3 I highly doubt that they would provide any significant additional benefit. Stick to what you're doing.
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Probably RU and oral antiandrogens like spiro
Originally Posted by Dav7
But isn't Dut a little risky to be getting into at the moment for MPB/ hair loss? Don't get me wrong, if or when Dut becomes approved for balding/ baldness, then I will be on it within a day or two, or will happily throw my Fin tablets in the bin. However, isn't it still early days regarding Dut and MPB given that (a) it is still not approved for hair loss, (b) doctor's will not prescribe it to you, at least 99% won't to combat MPB so that you left at the mercy of online pharmacies which could be selling you sugar and (c) the lack of a biological model in comparison to fin, particulary when it comes to the long term effects of that much 5AR-type 1 suppression, of which we have no records of the side effects?
Again dut is obviously the better treatment, but is it worth jumping ship at the present time given the drug's standing in relation to Hair loss treatment approval, 5AR-type 1 suppression etc.
Nah dut is probably not dangerous compared to balding. There are guys now who have been on it for like 8+ years. Balding is worse than most side effects of these meds
Some docs do prescribe for hair loss, go to a hair loss specialist
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Dut will never be approved for hairloss simply because GSK are not going to pursue it on that avenue...
My derm prescribed me 2.5mg/dut per day, LOL
I just use 0.5mg though, but could get 5 boxes a months if I wanted :P
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Yeah I agree I dont think there are any that is why there such few treatments. Only a few took the time/money to prove they work verses just claiming they work.
There are plenty of things that might work like topical spiro, but I would argue topical spiro doesnt work because the vehicle doesnt work well enough. Spiro the actual chemical probably works really well. I think cosmo found it worked really well with more sophisticated delivery systems, its just the usual creams are not good enough delivery systems to get spiro to work equivalent to say internally.
People still debate whether topical spiro goes systemic, and if it doesnt it probably just isnt getting delivered properly hence it not working that well either
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Originally Posted by ryan555
I was just making the point that just because a treatment has not been approved by the FDA for hair loss does not mean it doesn't work. Truth be told, Nizoral doesn't do anything for hair loss and minox has a minimal effect. There are numerous experimental treatments that are WAY more effective than those two, including some more natural options that have decent studies backing their efficacy. The problem is, no one on this forum or anywhere else tries them and sticks to a regimen long enough to determine how well they work. Once they fail to see results after a few weeks, they call a treatment a "scam" and no one ever considers it again.
I agree with plenty of things that you said Ryan. First off, I too believe that Nizoral and minoxidil don't do much of anything. I haven't seen any evidence that Nizoral does a damn thing and I also have never seen any evidence of minoxidil achieving any significant hair regrowth at all. I laugh at how people refer to these treatments as the "Big 3" when 2 of 3 are just completely inferior treatments that don't do much of anything. Just goes to show how extremely underserved the hair loss community is.
I agree also that just because a treatment is not approved by the FDA, it does not mean that it is not effective at all. For instance, PRP and bone marrow stem cells have helped plenty of people with joint discomfort and osteoarthritis, in fact they've worked miracles in some regards. I too thought that PRP is given a bad wrap. Even though I haven't seen it work any miracles for hair loss, it has solid science behind it and I believe that if the procedure was tweaked a bit (increase the dosage, perhaps), then it could be much more beneficial. It also puzzles me how PRP can work absolute miracles for alopecia areata patients but not those with regular hair loss. I know they are two different conditions, but I don't think they're that drastically different after all.
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Originally Posted by ryan555
There are lots of known treatments that haven't gone through FDA trials. Dutasteride, for example, is much more effective than finasteride but has not been approved for hair loss. Whether there are other safe, side effect free, and effective treatments is a different question.
Yeah and I use that. That's a drug with the same sides as fin. So it's pointless to even mention that as an alternative when it is stronger than fin. Personally I haven't had any side effects.
I think the OP is asking for hair vitamins, shampoos, supplements.
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I don't know what's this talk about the FDA, there was no mention of FDA in my post.
There's nothing else out there that we know of that works. This is not about the FDA. MSM, Biotin, all of those hair vitamins, neither of them are for hair regrowth or slowing down MPB.
There's nothing out there but scams. TRX2? Try that.
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"Non-Big3, non BS treatments "
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